I've kicked players for wearing the wrong gear!

[Awha]

That sounds like you are abusing the kick feature. Let them have wrong gear what does it matter to you as long as they are not that undergeared and you get through the content. It's not your job to tell them what to wear. Geez some people really have a problem with others doing things not their way. If they don't want to take your advice leave them be, it's not that hard. If they are rude or really drag the party down than it's okay to kick everything else is kinda toxic.

If the kick passes how is that an abuse of the system? Difference of play style is a valid reason GM's have confirmed this in the past. Also what is interesting you yourself mention that is it okay to remove someone if they "really drag the party down" clearly the group that passed the vote felt the lack of proper gear really dragged the party down that it warranted the removal of the player. Granted for you that may not count as dragging the party down so to speak the use of wrong gear, but for some it is. The line is drawn in different places for different people, but as you said removing someone that is really dragging the party is okay, so you support how the OP used the feature. Or do you feel only your subjective few as to what is dragging down a party is the standard we should use as a community?

Honestly baffles me when people say only valid reason for removing someone from a group is based around a non uniform metric. What you find as toxic or holding the group back vastly differs from person to person, and group to group.

[VillainQueen]

If the kick passes how is that an abuse of the system? Difference of play style is a valid reason GM's have confirmed this in the past. Also what is interesting you yourself mention that is it okay to remove someone if they "really drag the party down" clearly the group that passed the vote felt the lack of proper gear really dragged the party down that it warranted the removal of the player. Granted for you that may not count as dragging the party down so to speak the use of wrong gear, but for some it is. The line is drawn in different places for different people, but as you said removing someone that is really dragging the party is okay, so you support how the OP used the feature. Or do you feel only your subjective few as to what is dragging down a party is the standard we should use as a community?

Honestly baffles me when people say only valid reason for removing someone from a group is based around a non uniform metric. What you find as toxic or holding the group back vastly differs from person to person, and group to group.

That might be true... I do understand where you coming from. I define "really dragging down" as playing so bad that the party wipes but for having the wrong stats on a ring? Isn't that a bit too much? If the player can still pull his own weight and I personally don't care what they wear. Even it's a potato sack. I don't check others gear unless I see them tanking the floor a lot. After that I tell them they should gear up, if I get a rude answer I might votekick because I don't need that either or I simply ignore and carry on. But in my experience most people can be reasoned with and kicking them isn't really helping the situation in the long term either. I know some people that behave really elitist towards players with less experience and no one wants to be treated like that either and I personally think this way of kicking is kinda toxic. Like a bully on a playground.

[NessaWyvern]

That sounds like you are abusing the kick feature.

Nope, no abuse here, the players who have the wrong gear, would mean they have a "difference of playstyle" to the one who initiated a kick, and you are allowed to kick for a Difference of Playstyle.
Nice try bud.
We need to be harsher on deliberately under performing people, or else they'll just keep doing what they're doing, wasting everyone else's time.

And what's wrong with trying your hardest and actually making sure you have the gear for the dungeon?
It's one of the reasons why I leveled crafter, so I can make HQ gear at the right level for the classes I am leveling, so I don't drag anyone down.
People should be trying their best in every dungeon they do, only solo content is the content you should be slacking in, because it doesn't affect anyone else.

[DumdogsWorld]

Also, how do people even manage to do this? I know you can equip, for example, HW tank gear as a DPS. However, once you get to level 70 gear, it seems to be all locked to classes/jobs that actually use whatever the main stat is. As a DRG, I couldn't equip a level 70 non-DRG piece even if I wanted to.

[Kuroka]

Also, how do people even manage to do this? I know you can equip, for example, HW tank gear as a DPS. However, once you get to level 70 gear, it seems to be all locked to classes/jobs that actually use whatever the main stat is. As a DRG, I couldn't equip a level 70 non-DRG piece even if I wanted to.

You could not, others simply will use an old lv 60 or worse or even none at alll ive run into plenty...

TIL wearing the wrong gear is "fun" for some people. Because who cares about the the fun of the other 3-7 people, right? They should carry the guy that doesn't want to do the bare minimum to be in the duty (proper gear), who probably doesn't even know his proper rotation either, because someone lazy enough to not get some pretty easy-to-get gear I highly doubt is gonna put the time learning his job either.

That yeah.... like idm a bit low, but like i just had ppl on the burn using 300 and 320 stuff, rly fun. Cause we are lazy. Just today i helped some ppl clear coil... the blm was lv 60, but still used the lv 120 gear - turns out story wise hes around mor dhona so i suppose 2.x and ofc he didnt have and lv 50+ skills... fun. I pointed him theres that lv250 gear on the mb but he just said its too exensive... lol like 30k for a wep.

He still was rather new and all but still... back then i literally talked to every npc and checked the mb for gear...

Had a tank in Bardem getting one shot by the bosses leaving the dragoon to tank most of it becuase he was wearing the freaking shire gear not augmented just plain ole shire gear.

I had such an SCH.. he literally used the lv 145 book.... no chance.

You lose about 10% dps if you switch to wrong primary stat accessories, thats all.
It wont ruin a game for you or anyone else if 1 person out of 4 will do 10% less, take it easy.

Ok so if i join an ex primal or just get into an dungeon boss and we wipe on 1-3% cause dps-check/too low dps its ok and fun, yeah?

[Nedkel]

Ok so if i join an ex primal or just get into an dungeon boss and we wipe on 1-3% cause dps-check/too low dps its ok and fun, yeah?

But this topic is not about extreme content or something like that, a lvling dungeons which you could even beat with your one hand clicking abilities with mouse. :P

[Hash_Browns]

But this topic is not about extreme content or something like that, a lvling dungeons which you could even beat with your one hand clicking abilities with mouse. :P

Personally for me, I don't think the issue is that I wouldn't be able to beat the content i I think the issue is that I don't want to carry people through the content.

I treat everyone undergeared like I do a tank that is undergeared. It's not *can* we do this, it's "why should I have to put up with you?"

[JackHatchet]

I don't think purposely wearing the wrong gear should be considered a "playing it your own way."

Besides, it's not like they get kicked for just being ignorant. It's usually their toxic responses that lead to the rest of the party agreeing with it. For example, it could go something like this.

"Hey black mage, why are you wearing strength acessories?"

"They increase my hit chance."

"You know that's not true, right?"

-other party member comments-

"I don't care what you say, you're just lying!"

"Nah man, STR really doesn't do anything for your class."

"OMG, why won't you shut up already?"

-Initiates kick- -kick passes-
-Gets a new dps-

That's normally the short of it.

(Other people generally chime in. Some positive. Some negative. But 99% of the time, the rest of the party is entirely supportive of my approach, and the kick. So I don't think it's considered abuse).

[LittleImp]

I don't think purposely wearing the wrong gear should be considered a "playing it your own way."

Besides, it's not like they get kicked for just being ignorant. It's usually their toxic responses that lead to the rest of the party agreeing with it. For example, it could go something like this.

"Hey black mage, why are you wearing strength acessories?"

"They increase my hit chance."

"You know that's not true, right?"

-other party member comments-

"I don't care what you say, you're just lying!"

"Nah man, STR really doesn't do anything for your class."

"OMG, why won't you shut up already?"

-Initiates kick- -kick passes-
-Gets a new dps-

That's normally the short of it.

(Other people generally chime in. Some positive. Some negative. But 99% of the time, the rest of the party is entirely supportive of my approach, and the kick. So I don't think it's considered abuse).

My friends and I have come to refer to this phenomenon as "Warrior Of Light Syndrome". There is a really bizarre culture of arrogance in this game that newer players seem to develop. People come out of the MSQ acting like they are the absolute master of the game, and will often get into aggressive confrontations when someone points out that they're wrong about something.

Maybe it has something to do with how the MSQ is structured and how your character is portrayed? idk.

[Janhyua]

To all the player who think kicking people who wear under 10 level difference is wrong