Time to expand a little on my comments about SE needing to hire a healer designer.

[Kabooa]

It's a complete failure on the devs part if tanks and healers require their Chocobo, something they may not even have leveled, because their damage scaling is atrocious. Now I doubt that will happen but if it does...

They don't require it now and won't require it later, but fact of the matter is that the Chocobo is there, readily available, and helps.

A player choosing not to use it makes it harder on themselves, no matter the role.

As I have just recently leveled an alt, by the time this alt got to level 70 and finished Stormblood's MSQ to prep for Shadowbringers, the Chocobo was just shy of rank 7. It's still worth around 1k or so DPS, which for a fully kitted out tank or healer is around a 15-25% increase.

Leave that on the table and it isn't the Dev's fault.

[Shalan]

Yes, but if the event comes to pass that our Chocobos are necessary to kill a basic overworld mob at a reasonable speed that would absolutely be a failure on the Devs part. Don't act like it would be a reasonable workaround in any situation, it's not. It would make the leveling process absolutely tedious, not to mention idiotic.

Would also make instance events/quests where you can't summon your Chocobo absolutely dreadful.

I am tentative on that being an issue however, simply due to the media tour being an earlier state of the game and as they kept reminding us: potency is subject to change. On the other hand they haven't given me much reason to be hopeful with their changes so far, so I guess we'll see if it's an issue.

[ForteNightshade]

They don't require it now and won't require it later, but fact of the matter is that the Chocobo is there, readily available, and helps.

A player choosing not to use it makes it harder on themselves, no matter the role.

As I have just recently leveled an alt, by the time this alt got to level 70 and finished Stormblood's MSQ to prep for Shadowbringers, the Chocobo was just shy of rank 7. It's still worth around 1k or so DPS, which for a fully kitted out tank or healer is around a 15-25% increase.

Leave that on the table and it isn't the Dev's fault.

Except this was your response to the hypothetical scenario where it became necessary (or made the process far less tedious) for tanks and healers when that hasn't been the case. Hence why I said what I did. If it ever became needed, it is, indeed, a complete failure by the devs.

[Kabooa]

Except this was your response to the hypothetical scenario where it became necessary (or made the process far less tedious) for tanks and healers when that hasn't been the case. Hence why I said what I did. If it ever became needed, it is, indeed, a complete failure by the devs.

Which is baseless speculation, and here's the kicker.

If the Tanks and healers can't reliably kill the enemies, odds are neither will the DPS, other than potentially red mages.

[Deceptus]

Which is baseless speculation, and here's the kicker.

If the Tanks and healers can't reliably kill the enemies, odds are neither will the DPS, other than potentially red mages.

The video Yoshi showed with him playing a BLM and a GUN. BLM blew up a mob within 3 or 4 casts. GUN took multiple full chain rotations.

That's not baseless speculation. That was the lead developer playing his game.

[Kabooa]

The video Yoshi showed with him playing a BLM and a GUN. BLM blew up a mob within 3 or 4 casts. GUN took multiple full chain rotations.

That's not baseless speculation. That was the lead developer playing his game.

Go put on full Ala Mhigan gear, head out to the Fringes, and kill mobs outside Castrum Orien.

Let me know how that goes.

[Deceptus]

Go put on full Ala Mhigan gear, head out to the Fringes, and kill mobs outside Castrum Orien.

Let me know how that goes.

I can guarantee you right now it'll be better (and faster) than when 5.0 hits because right now I have 7 different DPS options (that I can also weave) and in June I'll have essentially 2. 3 if I need to move and cast Ruin 2.

[Kabooa]

I can guarantee you right now it'll be better (and faster) than when 5.0 hits because right now I have 7 different DPS options (that I can also weave) and in June I'll have essentially 2. 3 if I need to move and cast Ruin 2.

Oh sure, it'll be better. But we aren't contesting playstyle here. We're contesting -effectiveness-. Take off the -absurd- item level advantage and go fight some level 61 mobs, and you'll find the results, at least for tanks and DPS, aren't that different from what you saw in the footage so far.

And I doubt the actual, mechanical effectiveness of a healer's damage is going to drop that much.

[EaMett]

I feel like this needs a little more traction. Not so much that I don't think you can do a good job with just those members. But clearly something has gone astray somewhere in the process.

[Reiryuu]

Yeah... I'm not looking forward to the solo instances and such. I came back after stopping in 4.0 and I came back... er.... I think right before 4.4? Before Suzaku, but after Tsukiyomi, that area of the time. I was trying to unlock stuff so I could get some gear upgrades and that since no queues were popping for stuff and I failed a DPS check for one and barely passed it the second time because the NPCs actually used the limit break competently that time around. It was the one where you had to fight all those giant robot things and they self-destructed on you after a time. Then you had like 4 of them you had to kill all in a short time period. I will grant that I was slightly undergeared for the encounter, but if the DPS's ability to DPS and tank abilities to DPS keep going up and ours are getting chopped off... that makes me nervous for more situations like this even just leveling up and completing the main story.

OMG yeah I remember that other one with Genbu? or the guy who was going to replace Genbu with Tataru in the mix. UGH that fight was sooooo long too ><;

But yeah, I have a feeling solo questing and solo instances are going to be as fun as watching paint dry in 5.0.