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  1. #191
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterShield View Post
    YOU'RE RIGHT. I'M CERTAINLY NOT QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT MY OPINION. YOU ARE MUCH BETTER SUITED TO SPEAK FOR ME.

    I....DON'T....LIKE...THE...NEW...SYSTEM FULL STOP

    I... BELIEVE THAT THEY COULD HAVE DONE BETTER
    Just cause it's -your- opinion doesn't mean it's well informed. Anyone can scream - OPINION- doesn't mean it needs to be heard or listened too. It's one thing to express not liking it, it's a whole different matter to ask for things to be changed without knowing why the changed was even made. Cause here's the thing. IF you cared about the change you'll then be able to provide actual feedback instead of screaming cause reasons. But you don't care about that. you just want to complain about changes you yourself have not played OR cared to invest to see why they were needed in the first place. Therefor making your opinion useless at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insertcoins View Post
    Just cause it's -your- opinion doesn't mean it's well informed. Anyone can scream - OPINION- doesn't mean it needs to be heard or listened too. It's one thing to express not liking it, it's a whole different matter to ask for things to be changed without knowing why the chaged was even made. Cause here's the thing. IF you cared about the change you'll then be able to provide actual feedback instead of screaming cause reasons. But you don't care about that. you just want to complain about changes you yourself have not played OR cared to invest to see why they were needed in the first place. Therefor making your opinion useless at best.
    I don't know why you've decided to target me like this. But I'm not sure just how much clearer I can make this.

    I don't like the changes. I can read the changes and know I won't like them. This is feedback. The feedback is meant for Square. Not for you.

    Your browbeating of me for not liking something is USELESS. After all. You don't care to understand me. Only shout at me because "I (YOU) am right" and "You (ME) are wrong". Because you, somehow, are the authority.
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  3. #193
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterShield View Post
    I don't know why you've decided to target me like this. But I'm not sure just how much clearer I can make this.

    I don't like the changes. I can read the changes and know I won't like them. This is feedback. The feedback is meant for Square. Not for you.

    Your browbeating of me for not liking something is USELESS. After all. You don't care to understand me. Only shout at me because "I am right" and "You are wrong". Because you, somehow, are the authority.
    Cause you're the one who screamed - I DON'T CARE- lol. And I find that silly at best. Cause my only point was if you did some digging you can say " Ok.. I see why the change was made, but Id like it if they did THIS instead." Instead of screaming " I don't care" Cause all that does is show you just wanna scream -your opinion- without understanding why there's push back in the first place. Again.. if you'd listened I'm not saying the change was GOOD. But knowing why it was changed changes the complaint from - I don't like- to I wish they did this instead.
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  4. #194
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insertcoins View Post
    Cause you're the one who screamed - I DON'T CARE- lol. And I find that silly at best. Cause my only point was if you did some digging you can say " Ok.. I see why the change was made, but Id like it if they did THIS instead." Instead of screaming " I don't care" Cause all that does is show you just wanna scream -your opinion- without understanding why there's push back in the first place. Again.. if you'd listened I'm not saying the change was GOOD. But knowing why it was changed changes the complaint from - I don't like- to I wish they did this instead.
    The extent of what I am trying to convey is thus. I do not like the changes. They strip AST of its identity. All healers now feel like skins of the same thing with little to differentiate them. The new skill sets leave little to do in downtime between heals.

    Consequently, I do not find any healer to be engaging after this change and will not touch them henceforth.
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  5. #195
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insertcoins View Post
    Cause you're the one who screamed - I DON'T CARE- lol. And I find that silly at best. Cause my only point was if you did some digging you can say " Ok.. I see why the change was made, but Id like it if they did THIS instead." Instead of screaming " I don't care" Cause all that does is show you just wanna scream -your opinion- without understanding why there's push back in the first place. Again.. if you'd listened I'm not saying the change was GOOD. But knowing why it was changed changes the complaint from - I don't like- to I wish they did this instead.
    See this is what I did. At first I panicked. Looking into it further I started to realize what it really was, and what it fixed.

    It wasn't at attempt at destroying ASTs unique system.
    Its a fix to removing RNG, something that AST mains including myself wanted gone. AST changes are mostly QoL changes, with potency adjustments to remove the boost from the sects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hash_Browns View Post
    See this is what I did. At first I panicked. Looking into it further I started to realize what it really was, and what it fixed.

    It wasn't at attempt at destroying ASTs unique system.
    Its a fix to removing RNG, something that AST mains including myself wanted gone. AST changes are mostly QoL changes, with potency adjustments to remove the boost from the sects.

    Not only just that mind you, but with TP being killed off in the game's background changes everything. Cause that one change makes classes have to be tuned up for that one change alone. We won't even get into DNC and what and how that messes up Ast. - buff class- So yeah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterShield View Post
    The extent of what I am trying to convey is thus. I do not like the changes. They strip AST of its identity. All healers now feel like skins of the same thing with little to differentiate them. The new skill sets leave little to do in downtime between heals.

    Consequently, I do not find any healer to be engaging after this change and will not touch them henceforth.
    By all means stick to your guns but I think a more reasonable approach would be to try healers before dismissing them.

    Saying you can form a complete opinion about how playing healers will feel based on reading their tooltips is like reading a text guide for a fight and saying you fully understand it, seems kind of prematurely dismissive to me.

    If you're one of those people who thinks that by not playing healers you'll be somehow showing SE your displeasure with the changes (to be clear I'm not saying you are one of these people, just a hypothetical) I think you're going about it the wrong way. Plenty of people are going to still be playing healers in ShB, the people outraged on the forums and Reddit are barely a drop in the bucket for overall healers.
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  8. #198
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veis_Alveare View Post
    By all means stick to your guns but I think a more reasonable approach would be to try healers before dismissing them.

    Saying you can form a complete opinion about how playing healers will feel based on reading their tooltips is like reading a text guide for a fight and saying you fully understand it, seems kind of prematurely dismissive to me.

    If you're one of those people who thinks that by not playing healers you'll be somehow showing SE your displeasure with the changes (to be clear I'm not saying you are one of these people, just a hypothetical) I think you're going about it the wrong way. Plenty of people are going to still be playing healers in ShB, the people outraged on the forums and Reddit are barely a drop in the bucket for overall healers.
    Mainly just responding to the bold bit. I'm showing SE my displeasure through this thread. I'm refusing the play healers from now on because I won't enjoy them anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaterShield View Post
    Mainly just responding to the bold bit. I'm showing SE my displeasure through this thread. I'm refusing the play healers from now on because I won't enjoy them anymore.
    A convenient part to respond to, rather than the meat of the post.

    Best of luck o/
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  10. #200
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    Insertcoins, why do you feel the need to non-stop talk about WHY they're changing the cards, when we're talking about not liking HOW they're changing the cards.
    We get it already, the battle system and class changes invalidates one card, and make the use of two more questionable. But that doesn't mean that making every. single. card. a crappy balance card is a good fix. That won't be fun to play, and it's certainly not engaging.

    That's the issue a lot of us are having here, and you keep talking past us and lecturing on how we should be content and put up with it because there was going to be some needed change. We get that already, please stop lecturing us on it. We just want some variety in the cards, not have every card be a balance card.
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