Everyone needs to stop complaining about stuff they've never tried themselves

[EaMett]

Always amused at these kind of comments. We complained for 4.0 and were absolutely right about every issue we brought up. We're complaining about 5.0 and I can assure you we're correct again.

You ability/inability to see may be indicative of your experience and skill level.

WHM got no dearly needed gameplay improvements, no party buffs. Their personal dps looks like it's going to be bomb compared to AST and SCH though. Buffed up healing toolkit which is useless. Overall roughly the same situation as now. (didn't listen to community)
AST got their cards dumbed down and looks like some nerfs to their DPS. Gameplay will be roughly the same but I don't understand why they felt the need to dumb down cards. Doubt this was what the community wanted
SCH got their gameplay revamped to the point of it 1) no longer being fun, 2) being essentially where WHM currently is which is in dire need of help. DPS completely nerfed as a result of those changes. Healing kit seems pretty strong. Definitely didn't listen to community here lol.

This is a step in the wrong direction when it comes to making healers fun to play.

[Zephera]

Wanna know when the proper time to complain is? When you actually try the class.

I don't need to stick my hands in poop to know it's poop.

[ForteNightshade]

Wanna know when the proper time to complain is? When you actually try the class.

I tried WHM after seeing the SB media tour release. The Lily system, PI and its lack of utility were all problems people predicted the second they read the initial tooltips. Likewise, people predicted RDM would need serious buffs because Verraise is worthless if people aren't dying. They predicted SCH would be trash at launch; MCH would be trash, period. I could go on but every single thing happened. Some changes were eventually made. Others? It took two years for MCH to see anything noteworthy. Yoshida outright admitted at the media tour people preferred SCH/AST far more than WHM. Which kind of flies in the face of your "WHM is perfect!" argument earlier.

We have been told the same nonsense every expansion. It all released exactly as predicted.

[Gemina]

Oh I can gauge how it's changed and I am *very* happy about what I saw for White Mage. I however understand that some of us are unable to be happy with change. An unfortunate trait but a trait none the less.

Hold up. How can you gauge the changes any more than someone who is upset with them because you are happy with said changes? How are you in any different of a position? If you feel we require hands on experience with the new expansion to actually get a feel of how jobs will play, this applies to both players who are happy or upset with the information given to us.

[Whichi]

WE absolutley have the right to complain. The devs need to hear it now so they can start planning accordingly. By making this post you're insulting me and every other player by saying we dont know what we want when it comes to how we play our classes which is very offensive. We know exactly what we want and what has been presented is not what we want. You may not care but the outcry is real and its here for a reason. Healers will be terrible in the future expansion. If we all just stay quiet and dont say anything it will never be fixed or changed. Having an ultimate clear and doing a lot of the savage fights and with lots of time invested in the game. I think I have a right to complain about how healers are being treated in shadowbringers.

[Anselmet]

Hey guys, remember when schs screamed to the high heavens and we got miasma ii back and sustain? I remember and good reason why these threads exist. Please make sure we all scream until they at least returns us Selene's super esuna.

[Ilenya]

I remember there being so many posts about the Lily gauge that the forum mods literally force-consolidated them and told people to not make new ones because of the outcry.

[Maltothoris]

I remember there being so many posts about the Lily gauge that the forum mods literally force-consolidated them and told people to not make new ones because of the outcry.

And remember how they ultimately did nothing with massive thread with the liies? How the only changes were cure 1 getting buffed to 100 percent, bension no longer needing a lily and the assize buff in 4.5? I want them to prove me but they only proven me right

[kidalutz]

People pre 4.0 said the same exact thing. Look how terrible lillies, Pi, and Sch were during 4.0.

They were right then. People have a right to form opinions on what was shown.

Opinions are fine but they're like bumholes everyone has them.

[fantasticm]

And remember how they ultimately did nothing with massive thread with the liies? How the only changes were cure 1 getting buffed to 100 percent, bension no longer needing a lily and the assize buff in 4.5? I want them to prove me but they only proven me right

Square Enix only listens to Scholars. This is simply the way of things and we'd best get used to it.