WHM still has no raid DPS buffs in 5.0

[Josco]

Edit: So a lot of people seem to be resorting to the old "If you're not in a world first group it doesn't matter." Technically, yes, I fully expect every raid including ultimates will be clearable without healer DPS buffs.

That is the absolute worst argument I've heard on this, and I hear it a lot.

Have you ever enraged at 1%? No? Then you probably haven't raided, in which case your opinion is based on feelings rather than experience. If you HAVE enraged on 1-2% and had a WHM in your party, all that time you spent on pulls after the enrage would be time of your life you'd have back.

I love WHM, but taking one is intentionally giving your group a debuff before you set foot in the instance.

[Fyce]

That is the absolute worst argument I've heard on this, and I hear it a lot.

Have you ever enraged at 1%? No? Then you probably haven't raided, in which case your opinion is based on feelings rather than experience. If you HAVE enraged on 1-2% and had a WHM in your party, all that time you spent on pulls after the enrage would be time of your life you'd have back.

I love WHM, but taking one is intentionally giving your group a debuff before you set foot in the instance.

If you enrage at 1%, people died, screwed up mechanics, or aren't doing their rotation properly.
You should look to improve these points first before blaming your healer for not having the small raid DPS increase that the rest of the group should've done.

[Risvertasashi]

It sure does make the pool of parties you can join a bit smaller, but it's far from being impossible to find a party to get your kills. Finding intelligent people is still very doable.
And again, the less spotlight you give these meta believers, the less place they'll take.

While I'm deeply discouraged by SE's actions, I don't think that staying silent about problems is the way forward. For anything, really.

If you enrage at 1%, people died, screwed up mechanics, or aren't doing their rotation properly.
You should look to improve these points first before blaming your healer for not having the small raid DPS increase that the rest of the group should've done.

But that's just it. DPS buffs help make up for those mistakes.

[Eralwen]

If you enrage at 1%, people died, screwed up mechanics, or aren't doing their rotation properly.
You should look to improve these points first before blaming your healer for not having the small raid DPS increase that the rest of the group should've done.

I just logged in to say how laughable this logic really is.

If you wiped on 1%, you are probably new to the fight, had people dying left right and center, have several people on probably gray dps, etc...

Not to mention that people usually prefer WHM to progression because it has better healing and a much more "oh shit" toolkit and might be able to ave your ass in situations where SCH or AST couldn't. (Resulting in one or more less death, which means more damage overall). If you think healer dps is to blame for a 1% wipe, you know nothing of the game.

Anyways, I hope the SB healer situation is long dead and we never see a similar case again. SCH being absolutely mandatory, while the two remaining classes compete for a spot. Good riddance.

[Fyce]

While I'm deeply discouraged by SE's actions, I don't think that staying silent about problems is the way forward. For anything, really.

But the problems are made up ones by the community itself. In practice, they are absolutly insignificant. Which is why I'm saying that we should simply ignore them.

But that's just it. DPS buffs help make up for those mistakes.

And having more healing tools might help people not dying when they make mistakes as well. Which is a bigger help that what a 10% crit buff with a 12.5% uptime can provide (especially when crit will lose a lot of value at the start of Shadowbringers due to how its scaling works).
People don't seem to understand or value how useful is it to have more healing tools than what is theorically needed. I cannot count how many times an AST or SCH had to use their GCDs because they simply ran out of tools to use after people made mistakes.

Besides, cases where people would wipe because of a lack of raid DPS utility from healers is far more extreme than the example I just gave (and doesn't disprove my point about people needed to improve elsewhere first before looking at this). It might give you a lucky clear once in every blue moon... But if that's more or less the extend of what healer raid DPS utility is good for, I'm sorry but I find the argument weightless compared to the benefits of taking a WHM.