War mains after seeing the skill trailer

[shao32]

the expansion din't started and we are using the "WAR it's the center of the universe buff everything to our level" and "war haters are coming" arguments again? i guess things never change and the forums in this expansion are going to be as fun as usual, how amusing.

here, you 900p attack leaked and you new utility:





some say the nascent flash recast don't start until the effect fade off, if not will be a broken skill being a 100% bloodbath 10%mitigation buff so the toolkit can be wrong or something idk.

[whiskeybravo]

the expansion din't started and we are using the "WAR it's the center of the universe buff everything to our level"

No, it's just an obviously bad argument.

You can loosely thank Warrior for:

Gap Closer with enmity
Tank stance fix
TBN Spread
Instant cast PLD heal
IR treatment for Delirium
Huge potency attacks

Good job on SE's part for realizing some things that made warrior dominant and "spreading the love" compared to just say, nerfing war into the ground because... muh balance.

[shao32]

No, it's just an obviously bad argument.

You can loosely thank Warrior for:

Gap Closer with enmity
Tank stance fix
TBN Spread
Instant cast PLD heal
IR treatment for Delirium
Huge potency attacks

Good job on SE's part for realizing some things that made warrior dominant and "spreading the love" compared to just say, nerfing war into the ground because... muh balance.

Get off the horse please none what you say are thanks to WAR but tanking in general and feedback from each job that come even from 2.0, im not interested in starting a anti-constructive discusion about WARs egocentric arguments so sorry for you if i not continue any reply with that actitude.

[whiskeybravo]

Get off the horse please none what you say are thanks to WAR but tanking in general and feedback from each job that come even from 2.0, im not interested in starting a anti-constructive discusion about WARs egocentric arguments so sorry for you if i not continue any reply with that actitude.

I don't have an attitude at all, but you're about to give me one. Sorry if pointing out the facts bothers you.

[Launched]

Good. War has been the meta tank for four years. Time to give drk, pld, and gnb the slot as strongest tank.

I'm sorry to see you've just missed 2 years of PLD being the best tank. There's still a month of that left though if you want to start playing it.

[shao32]

I don't have an attitude at all, but you're about to give me one. Sorry if pointing out the facts bothers you.

well i guess i can give this to you then, you should thanks:

PLD: for make you job nor being so heavily based on self heals, so making vengeance, holmgang, inner beast usefull, getting an aoe shield, get provoke, get convalescence,awareness and get rid of foresight and get rampart instead.

DRK: for geting a gap closer, get his reprisal, get his dark dance (anticipation), mostly his movility.

PLD and DRK for geting several oGCD since you din't have any until this expansion.

BRD: for getting you storm path buff during 2.0 to 4.0

there is no facts in anything you say, tank stance was a problem for all tanks and only WAR desing get "benefic" from it at the cost of ignore half of you job skills (WAR ones nt marauder), PLD complaing about the cast bars this expansion in general so its not thanks to WAR either, IR delirium it's lame and i still wanna see the full kit until give my opinion about that, and PLD and DRK have higger potency based on dots with goring blade and scourge.

you know, if you are happy by believing all the tank changes made this expansion is thanks to WAR im not going to stop you.

[whiskeybravo]

you know, if you are happy by believing all the tank changes made this expansion is thanks to WAR im not going to stop you.

No, it's not that I'm happy, quite frankly I don't give a damn either way. But I'm not foolish enough to believe that WAR - being in the position such as it was - had no impact on the design choices of the dev team.

People complained about DRK/PLD stances because WAR had a better stance fluidity.

They gave WAR a enmity boosting gap closer, then added enmity to DRKs because people complained, now PLD and GNB have their own.

People complained about the inferiority of TBN vs SiO, now you get a spread TBN option

WAR had the best pull opener, prompted change to DAPS on DRK, and presumably PLD and GNB will have that issue resolved as well.

So yea, all these things - even if negative - sparked conversation about how to make the other jobs better.

If they'd have followed the path of nerfing WAR instead, we might not have had the same results. That's all I'm saying, we got to where we are because of the position WAR has obtained. And that's the RIGHT call. Look at what makes a job good and replicate that, don't destroy it. Cold, hard facts my friend.

Even using your own examples that's exactly what they did. Mitigation works better than self-healing, so they gave WAR extra mitigation. They didn't nerf PLD because people were taking 2x PLD, they made WAR better. They gave WAR a "better" gap closer before giving them all "better" gap closers. I don't think the role skill shuffling is a weighty conversation point, I've shared plenty of opinion on them already and I'm sad to see they didn't fix those mistakes for 5.0. As for storm's path debuff, I seem to recall that being centered around BRD having too much utility at that point in time so they just shifted it to the only other tank to complement RoH's STR down.

Again, the point is to take what works well and expand it. Not destroy something because it's "too good" - that's not how we make progress in any meaningful sense.

[MaraD_]

so all off tanks can help mitigate all tank busters on demand for the MT.
but the only tank that has to waste resources/DPS to have an on demand mitigation is WAR. (not to mention the loss of thrill of battle, and might as well assume raw intuition as well, due to how good this new OT utility is.)

[Kabooa]

Good job on SE's part for realizing some things that made warrior dominant and "spreading the love" compared to just say, nerfing war into the ground because... muh balance.

I can loosely thank them for taking the most unimaginative path for tanks then?

[shao32]

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the problem i see is you atribuyes all of that to WAR when is not, first of all ppl complaing about tank stances WARs included in all forums, i spend some time checking the JP forums and i see everyone complaing about it, WAR taking adventage over the other 2 by having less dps lose don't change the fact that tank stances was bad for all tanks, especially on WAR that lock him from several skills that stay unused on optimal gameplay.

the gap closer should be thanks to DRK to bring the mechanic to the game in the first place not WAR for being the second tank in have it, the enmity it was unnecesary and nobody ask for it but was granted so it's ok.

the pull i will grant you that can be derivated from WAR but was WAR who create the problem in the first place too and unchained it's gone.

utility should be thanked to PLD since we are all going to PLD standards not WAR standards since you will get a single target utility too.

it's pretty soon to say if WAR was nerfed or not despite we don't know much about him yet, lets see tomorrow but don't expect current WAR mitigation in defiance stay intact on SHB or holmgang keeping his lower recast ect ect.

you can freely belive everything is thanks to WAR, im not agree with that point of view at all, and you can nerf something without wreck it, like how holmgang can be get his recast nerf it so no longer take adventage over the rest, nerfing it's not synonymous of destroy anything and the most important thing it's prevent powercreep bcs seems ppl forgeth how bad powercreep is in a game like this.