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  1. #20991
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    Noitems's Avatar
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    Noitems Ever
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    Goblin
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kyasunshine View Post
    Good luck complete dung without tank lol)/.



    Well, yes, when everything is completed in the game, you can not worry about others.
    You clearly haven't seen a RDM/MNK/DRG tank.

    Let alone you can just have a SMN use Titan-Egi as a tank if you want, but that's not really as fun as tanking as a DPS.


    And again if we're talking about Praetorium in your case SMN/MNK/DRG would be totally fine for tanking for it. If your healers are good and dps is high you can cheese that place without tanks.
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  2. #20992
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    DumdogsWorld's Avatar
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    W'kohrahx Tia
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Dragoon Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Noitems View Post
    You clearly haven't seen a RDM/MNK/DRG tank.

    Let alone you can just have a SMN use Titan-Egi as a tank if you want, but that's not really as fun as tanking as a DPS.


    And again if we're talking about Praetorium in your case SMN/MNK/DRG would be totally fine for tanking for it. If your healers are good and dps is high you can cheese that place without tanks.
    This. Tanks may be far superior in generating hate (and are also gods of taking a hit), but almost all combat-related actions generate hate. If a DPS is overgeared enough, has high enough defense ratings, and the healer in the instance is godly, you can certainly clear earlier content without a tank.

    Once, I had a Xelphatol run in 50/60 roulette where the tank was drunk. Everything was fine until after the second boss, and then the tank fell asleep IRL. We, for some reason, didn't kick the tank and just continued on. We won, albeit my health (as DRG) was a roller coaster. That healer was awesome, lol.
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  3. #20993
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    kidalutz's Avatar
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    Sigrun Helasdottir
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    Brynhildr
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 80
    Onto the next!!!!
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    "Sometimes I wonder I heal for fun. or if I heal because I'm a glutton for punishment."

  4. #20994
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    Odd's Avatar
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    Tiri Thon
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    Goblin
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Callinon View Post
    Since the mobs get manipulated into the starting ring, it can look like you created the instance when in fact you just inherited it.
    But all trash mobs were there up until after the second boss. Unless bots somehow skipped until after that boss, I just don’t see how that’s possible. And I don’t see why bots would skip to that point.
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  5. #20995
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    Callinon Soulforge
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    Ultros
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    Dancer Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Odd View Post
    But all trash mobs were there up until after the second boss. Unless bots somehow skipped until after that boss, I just don’t see how that’s possible. And I don’t see why bots would skip to that point.
    I'm sure it's possible for them to do it, though I couldn't explain the process since I'm not a filthy cheater. As for why... I don't know why they'd take the second block of mobs and not the first one... maybe there's a detection issue on the first block that doesn't exist on the second. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    All I know is I've seen this described before and every time it was due to bots being filthy cheaters.
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  6. #20996
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    Aosha's Avatar
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    Aosha Koz'ain
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    Odin
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    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    To be fair you can pretty much do those without a tank too.
    *recalls hitting 60 on Summoner back in 3.something through an Aurum Vale run where my Titan-egi tanked everything because the tank left and we couldn't get a replacement even with 9 different people trying to join in-progress*
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  7. #20997
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    Aosha's Avatar
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    Aosha Koz'ain
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    Odin
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    Paladin Lv 100
    "I'll order dinner and go run an expert roulette while waiting, what could go wrong?" I said to myself, clearly inviting disaster.
    My tank DF curse is still going in full force it seems. I got a group of
    - Scholar who very rarely used Aetherflow abilities, especially Bane, had to be reminded of DoTs, seemed to think Misama II had actual range on it, and spammed Physic on me at 98%. Questioned me about "why do not use round cut?" (which is apparently the German name of Total Eclipse?)... which I was using every pull til my TP was down to about 100-200.
    - Red Mage who was very much into using Tether as well as hardcasting Verthunder, even with an Impact proc available, and barely used Scatter. I don't recall seeing any melee combos out of them either, although that might just be me not paying attention at the right times.
    - Bard who at first only used one DoT (started using Stormbite too after a reminder though!) and even that only sometimes, and sang very sporadically, but was actually the best one there.

    We wiped once on the final boss (RDM and SCH both bit the dust on the same canister explosion), and the run took nearly 35 minutes. My food arrived right as we dropped the second round of the final bosses to 0, and I managed to go get it from my door just before the AoE fest began
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  8. #20998
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    Cincierta's Avatar
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    Alaha Vellonnu
    World
    Lamia
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Just ran Cutter's Cry as mch while trying to get out of the 40 zone. I had an obvious jump pot drg that solely used 6 skill buttons throughout the entire dungeon: True Thrust, Vorpal Thrust, Full Thrust, Impulsive Drive and Disembowel; with only a few uses of Life Surge. No jumps, no Heavy Thrust, or even Blood for Blood.

    I'm still internally screaming.
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    This one is beyond your help. Only sleep can save her now.

  9. #20999
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    Raldo's Avatar
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    Raldo Volca
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Marauder Lv 80
    Ran a The Fractal Continuum (Hard) over the weekend and got a DRK who kept turning off Darkside whenever they did a large pull.

    To be fair, they did an excellent job holding hate, but it was just... very unusual. I did not comment on their choice of tactics.
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  10. #21000
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    Barraind Faylestar
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 90
    I'm sure Praetorium would be more than doable without a tank since things hit like wet noodles in there.
    You can healer tank it pretty easily.
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