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    Player Reap00's Avatar
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    Riamara Skye
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanteKardo View Post
    Alright, so let's start this with the logs of the conversation I had between the GM and myself;




    Since he's said I should direct myself to the official forums, here I am.

    My issue is that I'm not being told what I was warned for. To warn/punish somebody for 'offensive language', with no clear detail of what it was that was 'in breach' of these offensive language 'rules', makes it;

    A: Impossible for me to adjust my behavior given I don't know what was said that was wrong

    and

    B: Forces me to refuse to communicate *At all* if I don't want to risk to offend anyone.

    Now for those of you that might go ' you where told, it's "offensive language" ', being warned for offensive language is like being warned for 'saying something at some time that may have upset someone without knowing what it was, who it was, or what was so upsetting about what was said'.

    In a bottom line, all this approach will do is foster less communication, paranoia in players about what they can say in general, and like me now, ensure that people communicate less ingame overall, because I will certainly refuse to use any chat with people now that I do not know personally. It's simply too much of a risk and I'm not jeapordizing my year-long account for the subjective opinions and whims of other people.

    As a last 'note', for those of us who enjoy Roleplaying, this infact might become a huge problem down the line in the future, because roleplay, given it's a story-telling medium, can be offensive by it's own nature, depending on what themes you play (and no i'm not talking about ERP). So you can't even RP in public venues, on RP servers, without risking getting into a warning/suspension loop.

    So yeah, curious to see what other peoples opinions on these are, and if we can get a more 'satisfying' approach in the future, because warning and suspending people without giving clear evidence or reason towards these motions is just wrong on multiple levels. I understand this is a game and not a public court, but some measure of 'due process' should be there if you want people to adjust their behavior accordingly, and not have to resort to drastic measures as I am now forced to.

    PS: I'll be making an official copy of this post to reddit
    Whatever you said it was against the ToS. That is all you need to know. Be careful what you say. It can come back to haunt you very quickly in this game. It isn't WoW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reap00 View Post
    Whatever you said it was against the ToS. That is all you need to know. Be careful what you say. It can come back to haunt you very quickly in this game. It isn't WoW.
    No, it is not all that I need to know. Otherwise, obviously, I wouldn't have made this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reap00 View Post
    Whatever you said it was against the ToS. That is all you need to know. Be careful what you say. It can come back to haunt you very quickly in this game. It isn't WoW.
    "You said bad words. We can't tell you what those bad words were. And you may not even remember this conversation that could have been so far as a couple days ago - perhaps even more - when you said these bad words that we can't tell you what they were. But just don't say them again. K? K."

    That doesn't sound convoluted as heck to you?
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    Sage | Astrologian | Dancer

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    Player Reap00's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    "You said bad words. We can't tell you what those bad words were. And you may not even remember this conversation that could have been so far as a couple days ago - perhaps even more - when you said these bad words that we can't tell you what they were. But just don't say them again. K? K."

    That doesn't sound convoluted as heck to you?
    If someone breaks the ToS they don't need any specifics. This guy knows EXACTLY what he did. I will not waste another moment of time on this worthless thread. Thanks for all the great responses to my posts. I hope you guys didn't hurt yourselves to much coming up with such clever responses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reap00 View Post
    If someone breaks the ToS they don't need any specifics. This guy knows EXACTLY what he did. I will not waste another moment of time on this worthless thread. Thanks for all the great responses to my posts. I hope you guys didn't hurt yourselves to much coming up with such clever responses.
    Police: You broke the law.
    Person: Which law?
    Police: does not matter, i said you broke it and don't need to tell you which one.

    ???
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    Last edited by White_Wolf_X; 05-28-2019 at 07:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reap00 View Post
    If someone breaks the ToS they don't need any specifics. This guy knows EXACTLY what he did. I will not waste another moment of time on this worthless thread. Thanks for all the great responses to my posts. I hope you guys didn't hurt yourselves to much coming up with such clever responses.
    While you're technically correct, if the goal here is to make sure the behavior doesn't happen in the future, it usually helps to know exactly what happened so there is an understanding of what is and isn't acceptable. Your assumptions about "this guy"' and his intentions are irrelevant. As a matter of principle most countries make it a point to at least inform you of any allegations made against you legally so you can confront and clarify them. You would think a game company would do the same with mere verbal violations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reap00 View Post
    If someone breaks the ToS they don't need any specifics. This guy knows EXACTLY what he did. I will not waste another moment of time on this worthless thread. Thanks for all the great responses to my posts. I hope you guys didn't hurt yourselves to much coming up with such clever responses.
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    "Stand in the ashes of a trillion dead souls and ask the ghosts if honor matters."
    "The silence is your answer."


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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    I dunno what y'all complaining bout.
    Zhu Li managed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojhTu9aAa_Y
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