observation of Phoenix from the job preview trailer for 5.0 smn

[Len]

Lv. 72 appears to be when "Firebird Trance" replaces Dreadwyrm Trance while adding two Phoenix related abilities...we don't get another set of abilities until Lv.80.

[Grimoire-M]

Lv. 72 appears to be when "Firebird Trance" replaces Dreadwyrm Trance while adding two Phoenix related abilities...we dont't get another set of abilities until Lv.80.

Based on the trait leaks floating around (assuming they're real), we're getting no new buttons at all actually. All the things we do get replace existing skills somewhere. Ruination is getting enhancements via two traits, one doubling its duration, the other allowing it to be spread by Bane (meaning Tri-Bind probably works with it now). The Egi Assault actions also guarantee a Further Ruin proc when used. That covers the 74-78 gap apparently.

From those leaks as well, Firebird Trance augments our main filler spells (Ruin III and Tri-Bind, renamed Outburst) into new spells for its duration and has a similar instant-cast effect and Tri-Disaster reset mechanic as DWT. It is potentially is upgraded into Summon Phoenix at 80 too based on the trailer. We didn't see DWT at all either, so I'm curious what's going on there too. Summon Phoenix for its part is pretty much a copy-pasted Bahamut with an extra weak HoT aura from the traits so far, but it could do more than that.

There's a lot of ways it could go, really. It could be a long chain of DWT x1-2 -> Bahamut -> FBT and/or Phoenix, or simply alternate between a DWT/Bahamut and a FBT/Phoenix window, whether the trances are merged with their respective Summons or not. Given we don't see anything listed about our pre 70 traits, it's not guaranteed which is going to happen. The only thing I feel comfortable saying will remain true is that it's likely they're sticking to a 2 minute cooldown rotation for the entire process, given what they did in Stormblood.

The other big thing is Energy Drain/Siphon straight up replace Aetherflow for SMN specifically, basically saving one weave in the process. I suspect they're weaker Fester/Painflare equivalents now, and probably share a cooldown.

[Lauront]

Lv. 72 appears to be when "Firebird Trance" replaces Dreadwyrm Trance while adding two Phoenix related abilities...we dont't get another set of abilities until Lv.80.

Yup, from what's been floating around, the ones in between are traits by the looks of it, mainly impacting Ruination and Tri-bind's replacement, and then later you get a HoT at 80, along with some more abilities complementing the Phoenix, presumably because that's when it becomes available.

Pending the full picture, I'm pretty tempted by SMN as a main for 5.0.

We didn't see DWT at all either, so I'm curious what's going on there too.

I'm hoping they've not rid of DWT and Deathflare. Having two distinctive trances associated with each of the "demi" summons, particularly if alternated between each other, would be a lot of fun if executed well. Something like DWT -> demi bahamut -> FBT -> phoenix, particularly.

[kidalutz]

Hard to tell if phoenix phase is after or before bahamut, phoenix appear late in the trailer more likely because it's a new summon, when SMN appear they already has their bahamut gauge fill and they don't let pheonix gauge run out also we don't see DWT in that rotation, 2 aetherflow won't change colour when use

So it'll be either bahamut phase to trigger pheonix phase or phoenix phase will be replace DWT and we need to sumkon phoenix 2 times to trigger bahamut phase

Phoenix cold smoked Bahamut sooo

[Len]

Why does Phoenix having an AOE healing ability?

Going strictly by its history in Final Fantasy, Phoenix usually functions to resurrect you to full health. I understand that SMN having that ability in this game would be too broken, but I’d rather have another attack ability than a mediocre heal.

[Grimoire-M]

Why does Phoenix having an AOE healing ability?

Going strictly by its history in Final Fantasy, Phoenix usually functions to resurrect you to full health. I understand that SMN having that ability in this game would be too broken, but I’d rather have another attack ability than a mediocre heal.

The healing ability is only 20 potency per tick for 20s. Assuming standard ticks it's 140-160 potency total. It's really not that much. It heals about as much as Succor does, if you didn't factor in the shield potency. The main thing is it's actually a passive trait, which triggers immediately upon summoning Phoenix. It's free, but weak as hell.

[Dyvid]

Taking the leaks with 2 grains of salt because some of it just doesn't make sense. First the "Performance Actions" for pets is off center and doesn't line up with the box. Next I don't see a "Summon Phoenix" action but it has "Summon Bahamut" action? We see Phoenix Summon in the Action Trailer and what looks like Phoenix Trance in the Benchmark. Idk, a lot of it looks legit but some of it doesn't.

[Gallus]

Yeah, there's Firebird Trance and Bahamut, but can't see Summon Phoenix or Dreadwyrm trance anywhere xD. I guess summon phoenix could be this very last spell called revelation? Though I doubt it.

[Lauront]

Doubt it too, especially since the button is similar to Akh Morn in design. So I wonder where Phoenix fits into all of it... unless Summon Bahamut is somehow overwritten when the requisite conditions are met?

[Grimoire-M]

Doubt it too, especially since the button is similar to Akh Morn in design. So I wonder where Phoenix fits into all of it... unless Summon Bahamut is somehow overwritten when the requisite conditions are met?

There is an icon that most likely is Summon Phoenix was present in the leaks, it just happens to be called Brand of Purgatory. The reason I assume it would likely be Summon Phoenix is because it specifically resembles Summon Bahamut the most out of all the Bahamut related icons. Similar visual comparisons show that Wyrmwave, Akh Morn, Enkindle Bahamut, Deathflare, and DWT all have potential Phoenix equivalents represented. Only Everlasting Flight doesn't cleanly map onto any Bahamut related button, but its icon does resemble the base Enkindle. It's the ability descriptions in the leaks and their ordering that makes me question their validity, not the icons in of themselves.