THANK YOU for making Healers actual Healers again!

[Starflake]

If we're going to be 100% honest here. The only parties that would be pissed about that would be one of those parties. Which honestly is not the vast majority of the FFXIV community itself. While I agree it's best to kill things as quickly as possible. I'm not going to go as if my day is ruined because the healer wants to strictly heal.


The fact remains that it's not a requirement for them to do so in softcore though. While I agree a healer should be dpsing in hardcore content. Something like a dungeon isn't a major deal if they decide they don't want to toss out damage spells. As to why that is such a difficult concept to grasp for some people bewilders me.

Anyways. This is going in a circle just like every other time I let myself get caught up in this pointless debate. I'm honestly not even going to bother any more lol

It IS a major deal because it's so incredibly easy to DPS as a healer in dungeons, you would just be wasting 3 other people their time. Never once did I think to myself "oh, this is a dungeon, we don't really need healer DPS". No my mentality is that I contribute the most I can, regardless of the content I'm in, because I respect people their time more than my own drive to be lazy.

[Iscah]

It's a good thing I already DPS. But I'm going to say I personally don't care if the healer dps or not. It's not going to kill me if they don't. Also, I wouldn't say you'd be expected. Most really don't care whether the healer does it or not and I don't recall it being written in stone that it's an expectation.

The Hall of the Novice training course says you should be DPSing when your party doesn't need healing.

And there's the whole CNJ questline of course.

[Cyrocco]

While this has been a hot topic of conversation since well, basically ever, the truth of the matter is that healer DPS is, at this point, no a matter of what direction the devs want to take it. Healer DPS is expected in well performing parties, and will be expected for as long as healers have DPS skills. This is more of a rule of the community than whatever the devs want. If your goal is play standard dungeons, then fine, you'll be able to do just fine only tossing out the occasional heal, but no one would prefer you over a healer that better manages their skills and fits damage in.

[SaberMaxwell]

The fact remains that it's not a requirement for them to do so in softcore though. While I agree a healer should be dpsing in hardcore content. Something like a dungeon isn't a major deal if they decide they don't want to toss out damage spells. As to why that is such a difficult concept to grasp for some people bewilders me.

Anyways. This is going in a circle just like every other time I let myself get caught up in this pointless debate. I'm honestly not even going to bother anymore lol

The thread is thanking Yoshi P for a blanket change for all healer damage (mistaken translation or no) across all content types. Whatever debate you're having, if it's not using that as a basis, is a bit off-topic.

[Seoulstar]

It IS a major deal because it's so incredibly easy to DPS as a healer in dungeons, you would just be wasting 3 other people their time. Never once did I think to myself "oh, this is a dungeon, we don't really need healer DPS". No my mentality is that I contribute the most I can, regardless of the content I'm in, because I respect people their time more than my own drive to be lazy.

My mentality is this. "I'm joining this dungeon, it could go pretty quick or it might be a little slow. But oh well, whatever happens, will happen". You give the impression that you're considerate about the three people in your party and you respect them. Yet that consideration and respect appear to be thrown straight out the window when it comes to a healer that isn't dpsing. There is also a bunch of reasons as to why a healer isn't dpsing. Let me put me for example when I didn't dps. It wasn't because I was being lazy. Or wanted to "waste the time of the rest of the party". It was because I wasn't comfortable. I wasn't confident. Basically, I was scared that if I tried, I would completely screw up and wipe the party. That was until I got into a run when someone asked why and I explained to them. They gave me tips, and asked if I could give it a shot. Ease my way into it. Which I did, that was years ago and now I dps whenever possible.

It's quite interesting when people show patiance and being actually considerate and respectful towards the person that's doing something they don't necessarily agree with. They didn't blow it up like I was wasting time, they didn't go to the realms of insulting me saying I'm being "lazy". Will everyone react to that the same way I did? Heavens no, but it's nice to actually give that a bit of consideration. Which is another reason why I feel I'm always butting heads with the pro dps crowd on this forum. Most of you don't show respect towards the healers you are complaining about. You just lash out at them while insulting. You berate them, treat them like you're far superior. If you're trying to convince them to dps, then you're a terrible job at it. I've seen people who literally went to the extent of purposely wiping a run because the healer isn't dpsing. If you want to talk about wasting time, you need to talk to those people. Yes, dpsing in this game is easy. But easy to you is not the same easy as everyone else that plays this game. I respect people too. But the difference between you and me is this. When I say I respect people. I actually mean it and yes, that includes the people I have constantly butted heads against when getting involved in this debate. I respect you guys opinion, but I think it's quite flawed.

[loreleidiangelo]

Pretty sure SE said they wanted to make the role less DPS focused at the start of Stormblood too, didn't they? At this point I basically judge on design, not design intention, since at times it feels like the devs don't even play their own game.

[Blokeymon]

I've been a WHM main since 2.1, and I sincerely hope that the suggested mis-interpretation of "pure/regen" is correct, because if I'm going to be forced to do nothing but heal, then I'm just going to quit WHM and crack on with DRK/NIN/SMN (my preferred go-to jobs when I'm not WHM) so that I have something to do, and I can see many others dropping it too.

[Seoulstar]

The thread is thanking Yoshi P for a blanket change for all healer damage (mistaken translation or no) across all content types. Whatever debate you're having, if it's not using that as a basis, is a bit off-topic.

I'm going to make the assumption that you completely ignored the first page of this thread and for whatever reason just looked at my comment and thought I was the only one being slightly off topic here as the debate was starting and I simply made the comment of I don't care what happens as long as it ends this pointless debate. Which honestly is true. I've grown tired of this debate, it does nothing but goes into a complete circle. It's really just a colossal waste of time because no one is getting anywhere with it.

Edit: Realized I did a double post..strange lol

[SaberMaxwell]

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess you completely ignored the first page of this thread and for whatever reason just looked at my comment and thought I was the only one being slightly off topic here as the debate was starting and I simply made the comment of I don't care what happens as long as it ends this pointless debate.

I stepped in when you said "I was not aware we were on the topic of EX and Savage."

When we're talking about blanket changes to all healers across all content, we are indeed talking EX and Savage...and Ultimate, and Eureka. We're talking all healers across all content.

[Starflake]

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I said I respect people their time. And therefore, people who blatantly waste other people their time aren't respected. I'd still not waste everyone else their time though. You're misrepresenting what I am saying. Not DPSing because you're not comfortable is a completely different thing. But then again, DPSing in any dungeon, especially expert roulette is so mind boggling easy, one has to wonder how on earth one can be uncomfortable with it. For me, it's simple, if in any dungeon or savage you aren't doing damage as a healer, you are doing a poor job. You can be uncomfortable, and as a result play poorly, that does not change anything about the fact that it's poor gameplay.

I am not here to convince anyone. All I am saying is that I respect people's time and since it's so incredibly easy to DPS as a healer in any content, I do it, always.