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    Kabooa's Avatar
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    Jace Ossura
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    Gilgamesh
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    Goldsmith Lv 100

    The Nothing Better To Do But Speculate Thread - Healers

    In order of appearance

    Disclaimer - Talky talky might have revealed more details to stuff but I could have missed it.

    Astrologian.
    -I no longer have healing spells. It's just cards.
    -Arrow to the Red Mage. Bole to the Ninja. Direct Hit to the White Mage. I am great at this.
    -Spear? This is useless. C'mere Minor Arcanum.
    -Now you see them. NOW YOU DON'T. (Give card to "Role". Using this ability causes the chosen roles to be given the chosen cards?)
    -MALEFIC IV
    -COMBUST III
    -Some super self buff?
    -INCOMING NO CONTEXT ACTIONS THAT TARGET ALLIES
    -Oh it was the buff that lets you use both sects. SecTS.
    -Hots and shields for everyone, ensuring that I am the only healer who can solo heal the new content coming out.

    Almost-post-realization

    -Oh right they mentioned in the letter that now you always have an offensive card based on what you draw.
    -With this information lets rewatch this draw segment.
    -What the !@#% is even going on here.
    -Arrow and Spire, Bole is next.
    -Neat.
    -Alright, they do actually know what they're doing. Shows what I know.

    Weiss Magier
    -Lol you thought it was Stone V
    -Have a no-context ability use.
    -Lol you thought it was Aero IV
    -What are these lillies doin'
    -So much aoe healing.
    -Not sure everyone's topped off. lets do some more.
    -HEROES NEVER DIE
    -OH SON, I JUST GOT MY RED FLOWER
    -NOW I'MMA HIT YOU WITH IT WITH THIS OFFENSIVE SKILL.

    Scholar
    -Chain Strategem. Why mess with perfection.
    -My aetherflow is green
    -Broil III
    -Bi-Disaster?
    -Abilities with no context! It's buffing the Adlo?
    -Slave, I was forced to Adlo, that means you were slacking. now heal, while I use my offensive skills.
    -Smol Bahambut.
    -Have a Faerieloquim. And a Faemedica. And a Faesuccor.
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    Ekhi Ysengrim
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    I'm excited for SCH. It looked like she cast Excog on the big fairy and the big fairy spread it.
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    Fawkes Macleod
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    Excalibur
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    White Mage Lv 100
    I think WHM is

    Stone replacement
    Divine Benison replacement with significantly worse animation
    Aero replacement
    New instant AoE heal that eats a lily
    Plenary Indulgence with shields
    Medica with shields
    Wings, probably just losing largesse as a role action and getting divine seal back
    Medica 2
    #4 again
    Tetragrammalamadingdong
    New red lily thing
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    Last edited by Fawkes; 05-27-2019 at 07:33 AM.

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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Yup, pretty much my analysis of WHM as well. The lily gauge is actually quite different. I saw two different abilities consume a lily: The new AoE heal, and whatever was given to the DPS on the left. I don't think it's Divine Benison. These abilities also didn't eat up all the lilies in the gauge. So it would seem this new lily gauge is an Aetherflow-ish resource to new skills. We didn't get a chance to see lilies regenerate, but the gauge itself was charging up, which is probably what gives us access to the red lily when it is full.

    The instant AoE heal is actually nice, and is actually something WHM was missing. All we had was Assize, or burning up a Swiftcast. I have to admit, even though it's another heal, it is a useful one.
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    Van Arn
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    Samurai Lv 90
    I don't care about anything else, Square can take my shields away completely if they want to.

    I have a bahamut fairy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gemina View Post
    I don't think it's Divine Benison.
    Well, it seems like they're removing the stone from stone, and the aero from aero, and divine benison currently has a water effect so I would think they'd redesign that as well if they are getting rid of white mage's elements.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliantheae View Post
    I'm excited for SCH. It looked like she cast Excog on the big fairy and the big fairy spread it.
    Yeah, it's going to be great playing a class 2/3 as effective as it is now, huh. Please.
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    Lutemis Rangar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truen View Post
    Yeah, it's going to be great playing a class 2/3 as effective as it is now, huh. Please.
    Where did you even get this idea from? Are you just trolling? You've been doing nothing but hate the expansion for like your last couple posts.

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    In the Job Action video, it looks to me like they removed Astrologian's Spread ability along with Royal Road, in exchange for automatically drawing a card with a second cards modifier on it. The new system focuses on getting single target buffs on party members, and unlocking all three celestial bodies, the Sun, the Moon, and likely, Eorzea, unlocks the larger Constellation spell, which may just enhance the buffs already placed on nearby party members.

    The first heal we see is cast with full animation, so likely our traditional Helios spell, as as for what the buff at the Astrologians feet does, it could *possibly* be a dual sect spell, but without access to buff icons there's no way to say how it works. Nothing in the video gives me that idea since I can't see any icons and the animations for aspected skills in either Sect are the same. What I CAN see is the same small stars used for all the vanilla healing animations, leading me to believe the final skill in just an AoE Heal, maybe even one that only targets the buffed players.

    I don't see any traces of AoE Buffing in this video, what I do see is a massive increase in single player buffing potential and additional effects, if this is the direction they're taking AST in, I'm very interested.

    EDIT: I feel the very simplified HUD for AST also supports this, with the Lord of Crowns occupying the same space the traditionally primary cards would occupy, I believe it imples AST can only hold on to one card of any type at a time instead of storing it with Minor Arcana. It would also appear each card is assigned a Celestial Body ahead of time, it being shown directly above the card before showing up in one of the three diamonds on the meter.

    EDIT2: The Astrologian Draws Spear twice, both times it showing for what I'm going to call the Eorzea Celestial Body, however the Arrow shows for the Moon Celestial Body, it's my belief that if the devs truly were aiming to make healers a bit "easier" then two cards that traditionally Royal Road for the same 200% time effect, would also represent the same Celestial Body.
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    Last edited by Cyrocco; 05-24-2019 at 05:33 PM.

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    Althena Rolair
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    I dont like that all of WHM skills seem to be holy based now, I liked the ties to conjury with the three elements.

    Also, I didnt see assize in there.
    They best not be messing around with favorite and best skill assize.
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    Gunther Frey
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    Balmung
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Taking a closer look at the sch video. Here are my Opinions(TM)

    -Chain: they're reassuring us that Chain didnt get cut in the big raid buff massacre, but I'm going to make the assumption its nerfed in some regard.

    -Broil III looks amazing. Broil II was already my favorite of the SB healer nukes so I'm happy to see it improved.

    -The ability with all the squares is definitely a dot. If you pay attention to the training dummy you can see the particle effects for damage over time ticking on it. Whether it's an upgrade to one of our dots or a flat out replacement for both is yet to be seen.

    -I'm scared of that red letter buff considering the fact the SCH in the video casted Adlo right after. Could this be the long awaited "Next spell you cast will crit" buff we've all been secretly waiting for? Regardless of what it does its purpose definitely seems to be enhancing your next spell cast.

    -The butterfly explosion is pretty awesome too, another use of the fae guage is always a plus.

    -Summom Seraph is honestly the kinda thing Dissapation should've been. I don't know if anyone noticed or not but it also seems to grant you 50 fae guage when used. My theory is that its simply a 2 or 3 min cd. I wonder if its gonna replace Rouse or if that ability is just flat out removed.

    -I know someone brought up the idea that you can possibly use Seraph to spread excog. But to me that scene looked more like it was showing that you can now put it on yourself. Which I am absolutely ok with, if it turns out to be both, even better.

    -All the Seraph abilities just come off as raw upgrades to the current fairy abilities, tho that single target heal does look like it puts a shield on the target...
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