why i quit before reaching endgame (feedback from a new player)

[Physic]

But the msq only has to be done ONCE. Unlike a lot of other mmos you don't need to make alts to try out new classes. You can do everything on one character.

You don't have to go through the msq over and over again every time you try out a new combat class. If you had to then fine I would see the point in changing it a lot because I can see how it could be tiresome to do it every time you play a new class. But this isn't the case.

All this fuss over something you only need to do once. It really puts into perspective how entitled people are when they demand to change the game in a huge way so that it becomes optional.

its not a huge change, they already have skip potions, they already have new game plus.

it also doesnt make sense to frontload all of the story, being that its only a one time thing. You have 100-200 hours of story versus 1000s of hours of game play, why is so much of it frontloaded?

Not to mention, it wasnt designed to be played this way. all cap material came out in bite sized blocks over the course of years. This was a 6 chapter epic spread out over 6 years of gameplay, not meant to be consumed in the first 150 hours of gameplay.

Completely failing to see my point: that when people are given a way to skip one thing they will keep asking for skips to more things. It will never be enough for some people.



I completely agree that a lot of ARR needs to be addressed, particularly the lvl 50 quests. But I am completely against making the msq into essentially side content. That's turning FFXIV into another game.

Yes, people will always ask for things, that doesnt mean you never consider what they are asking for, and evaluate the benefits. Kids ask for toys all the time, they also ask for food, or attention. Some times what toys they ask for tell you things about what the actually need/should have.

ARR isnt the only problem. HW works better simply because its a better, more engaging story, but stormblood is less so.


Also, the unlock mechanism doesnt have to be nothing at all. Content unlocking can be done by players going out and doing something/going on an adventure. Unlock 15-20 content by killing optional dungeon boss. Unlock 20-30 content by finding a treasure map in a dunfeon. Unlock 30-40 content by beating a dungeon within a time limit. Or just do MSQ.

[Penthea]

its not a huge change, they already have skip potions, they already have new game plus.

I'm not even going to try to explain this to you again. I have lost count as to how many times I have tried. You quite simply don't care to think about how integral the msq is to the whole game because it suits you not to.

Making the msq into side content is not the same thing as having skip potions and new game +.

[Physic]

I'm not even going to try to explain this to you again. I have lost count as to how many times I have tried. You quite simply don't care to think about how integral the msq is to the whole game because it suits you not to.

Making the msq into side content is not the same thing as having skip potions and new game +.

MSQ will be the main game for people who want a guide/narrative/story, and access to all the areas in the game. Achieving specific extra adventure/renown/feats can give others access to everything except story.

two paths. Its not side content if it gets you to destination.

players will have to either do these extra tasks. or do msq. Many will prefer msq, some will prefer these gameplay focused goals. Both ways make sense in the context of the world and game. And this can allow them to really focus the story on the story, without worrying how those who arent that interested in it experience it.

I mean I get that some people aren't interested in video game stories but when you play a Final Fantasy game that's what you're going to get. I've played this game for over 10,000 logged hours and it's because I enjoy the story, the content, playing with friends, etc.

the execution of the story, for a new player is a big part of the problem. It becomes endless cutscenes with very little break, and its integrated poorly into the game. Its handled better in HW, which has longer instances where things are happening while you are doing other things, closer to a regular final fantasy.

The delivery method, and the lack of gameplay/story pacing is a problem. And its always going to be weird at the caps, because you have tons of story with no progress/growth, and instances that gimp you. (you will be higher than the capped areas, so your skills will get locked) Its just poorly executed. That doesnt mean no one can like it, just that its not a good gate for gameplay when you are experiencing it all at once.

[Penthea]

two paths. Its not side content if it gets you to destination.

So you want two games in one.

...just go play a different game instead of demanding SE make a version of the game especially for you.

yeah its like this is a Final Fantasy game or something

I say some of us should head off to the WoW forums and complain that the playable factions are at war in a game with the word "war" in it and that has its roots firmly in faction versus faction play and story.

[Skivvy]

So you want two games in one.

...just go play a different game instead of demanding SE make a version of the game especially for you.

To be that broken record, this is an MMO, and MMOs have to appeal to a lot of various players with various interests. Just because YOU are happy with how the MSQ is handled, it doesn't mean that it can't be improved to be a more enjoyable experience for other players as well.

[Penthea]

To be that broken record, this is an MMO, and MMOs have to appeal to a lot of various players with various interests. Just because YOU currently are happy with how the MSQ is handled, it doesn't mean that it can't be improved to be a more enjoyable experience for other players as well.

And just because someone doesn't like the msq doesn't make it okay to ask for FFXIV to become a different game instead of play something else or take the game for what it is.

I didn't ask for WoW to get a msq or to change its crafting and gathering to be classes and have gear. I went to play something else.

[Skivvy]

And just because someone doesn't like the msq doesn't make it okay to ask for FFXIV to become a different game instead of play something else or take the game for what it is.

I didn't ask for WoW to get a msq or to change its crafting and gathering to be classes and have gear. I went to play something else.

It wouldn't be a different game. There are ways they could still have a very full MSQ, letting it bring players to the various dungeons/trials/zones, but also making parts of it more optional. Perhaps keep the main story plot tied into the required MSQ quests, but then flesh out the story in full in linked mini-MSQ quests. Give them their own special icon to make it obvious. I'm sure there are also other ways they could manage it.

Now, I would guess that if I went through your post history, I could probably find at least one or two items that you've requested to be added/changed/tweaked in this game, right? Or are you trying to say that you are 100% satisfied with how everything is in XIV and wouldn't change a thing?

Sharing opinions on content and their handling is all we get to to here. Discussing with people with even a remotely open mind can be enlightening to both sides, but with this particular topic the opposition quite often just goes the route of "Go play another game if you don't like it!" which is hardly a proper retort.

[Physic]

So you want two games in one.

...just go play a different game instead of demanding SE make a version of the game especially for you.



I say some of us should head off to the WoW forums and complain that the playable factions are at war in a game with the word "war" in it and that has its roots firmly in faction versus faction play and story.

this isnt about me, i like story in general. i am level 70 as you can see in my avatar, i have been here since 1.0 This is about how other players besides myself experience the game. See, i want whats going to make the game more compelling for more players, not whats in my personal interest. You refuse to aknowledge that many players arent like you, but still enjoy aspects of the game, you refuse to aknowledge that the msq was not designed with new players in mind.

Do you think, if they were designing the same game, with all the story, they would have 100s of quests at one level which give you less experience and progress than the next 100 quests? Do you think that the level 59 dungeon would give more experience than 10 level 60 dungeons? Do you think they would pace the story such that you do 10 minutes of teleporting for every 5 minutes of gameplay?

Many people who started in 2.0 would probably drop out if they started right now. but you dont care, because hey, mmo doesnt need to care about new players.


Also, a Final Fantasy mmo is many games in one.

You got a merchant gold/economy simulator
you got a crafting item creation game
you got a hardcore team play coordination execution game
you got a casual dungeon grinder
you got a social friend group lobby game
you got a rich sidequest world/lore
you got an almost single player rpg