We have Bust sliders, but no Butt sliders? What’s the difference?

[Vidu]

They promised butt slider during the live letter at the Fan Fest in Frankfurt.

If someone remember: this was more than 2 years ago.

As far as I recall they didnt exactly promise a butt slider, they mainly explained that having one (or having more... noticeable butts in general) would cause basically all leg-gear to get pixalted in the butt-area and asked the crowd if they'd be cool with that and the crowd was... I never understood that as promise that they'd actually introduce a butt-slider at the cost of quality (pixaleted gear - yes, yes, tell me all about missing AA-features, it could still be that the devs consider that specifically a problem), dev-time and possibly the issue that certain race/gender-combos might not have the "space" for it - if I'm not mistaken each character can only have so many variables when it comes to looks, so a race that already has a lot of options might not be able to get another one like a butt-slider.

To answer the question why bust but not butts: my personal guess would be that busts are a lot more noticeable and more of a "prime" and defining feature of female characters. Playing a FemRoe I know the pain of a lacking butt - a lot of gear looks kinda weird on my character because of that - but even with that in mind I can see why a bust-slider is a "must-have" for character customisation, while a butt-slider would be more of an afterthought.
Maybe we'll get them now - maybe we wont... but considering his explantion and what it involves (stretching textures OR re-design an aweful lot of gear to fit every butt) I'm not sure if anyone will be happy with it...

[Iromi]

The calamity took our butts



But yeah in 1.x we had normal looking butts and in 2.x and beyond when they remade the game, they remade our butts super flat. My hyur is especially bad >.>

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

The calamity took our butts



But yeah in 1.x we had normal looking butts and in 2.x and beyond when they remade the game, they remade our butts super flat. My hyur is especially bad >.>

That's still a flat butt, you are just sticking it out in a pose lol...

[Lunalepsy]

Is this the revival of the magnanimous 1.0 butt thread? OMG!

[hynaku]

Why don't we have a weight slider or muscle slider for all the races. We have a height and bust sliders but not them.

[Melichoir]

Why stop at butt sliders, lets go all the way and do full body sliders. heavy, thin, tall, short, muscle or no, butts, boobs, legs and arm lengths, wide or narrow torsos, hips and waists, Lets have it all.

[Lihtleita]

the fact that the hands are missing from the first image makes me thing that 1.0 miqo is using the /stretch emote. you know, the one that sticks your ass out.

The calamity took our butts

i never thought id have to quote myself but the time is now

[Mightion]

Why stop at butt sliders, lets go all the way and do full body sliders. heavy, thin, tall, short, muscle or no, butts, boobs, legs and arm lengths, wide or narrow torsos, hips and waists, Lets have it all.

They'd have to re-weight all the outfits in the game (to avoid clipping), and as the late, great Tom Petty said; "The weighting is the hardest part."

[Vahlnir]

They'd have to re-weight all the outfits in the game (to avoid clipping), and as the late, great Tom Petty said; "The weighting is the hardest part."

They wouldn't have to do much in that regard. Maybe some shorts, skirts, racial gear and bikini armor types but the rest could technically be whatever they wanted them to be. Some armors already change a character's bust size to varying degrees. The same could probably be done with a character's back side, though I don't see them ever going above what they already are now even if they tweaked some other sets.

[McChaffee]

Original Post

I'm not gonna read through the four pages, so someone might have already posted why, but if someone hasn't I'll explain.

Square can do bust sizes because when they rigged the models for female characters they included two breast bones which are the bones that enable breast physics on female characters. The bust slider basically scales these two bones to change a female character's breast size when you adjust the slider. If these bones didn't exist, the character's breast faces would be attach to a chest bone and would be unable to have physics and would move statically with the chest. Square could add bones for a character's ass, but there's a catch. When you add bones to a skeleton, that doesn't automatically add them to previous outfits, so they would have to go back and reweigh everything which is really time consuming. Generally stuff like this needs to be around during the start of development, but since this was something Square overlooked or didn't want to invest in during the 2.0 development cycle, it is now exponentially harder to add in into the game due to the backlog of stuff that would need to be updated.

As for male characters, they might have the female breast bones, but they are unused and thus adjusting them would have zero impact on a male character. You'd have the same problem as above if you wanted to add them to males for macho pecs.