Gender/Racial Locking in 2019

[Melichoir]

Gender locked races is pretty stupid.

But the gear thing, thats a bit more complicated.

When we argue "Hey, there should be no gender lock" then what about clothes that reveal a bare chest? While Im sure some people would be like "Ahh yissssssssss bewbs!" we have to actually be a bit real here and know that for the game to maintain its rating (and any semblance of respect) that wont be allowed. The armor would be modified you might say. But then thats a gendered armor set and the exact design aesthetic that would be available to male characters wouldnt be quite available to female ones for obvious reasons.

Im not saying everything should be gendered(as high heals were actually for men in France at first, as an example), its worth noting that saying "Just remove the genderlock on gear" wont exactly be so straight forward and probably wont yield the results people expect. There will still be gendered clothing.

[Lihtleita]

When we argue "Hey, there should be no gender lock" then what about clothes that reveal a bare chest? snip

gender neutral bras for everyone

[Dualblade]

gender neutral bras for everyone

There ARE some good battle ready armor out there.

[ern815]

I think that the devs probably felt that some outfits wouldn't fit the opposite sex too well and hence the gender locking came to light.
And I also think there may be additional resources involved in trying to design the gear to make it fit onto the toon. Didn't Yoshi P mentioned before that because of the new Viera they had to look into the headgear design to make sure that it looked good on a Viera's head? Hence it could take up some time and resources for that, which would have been better spent on developing new ideas or improving certain matters on hand.

[WhiteArchmage]

Actually, what I find more recent and BS is that "gender" is used for whatever the hell people want it to mean. Since there is no getting around the biological science that denotes there are only TWO sexes, gender is used to describe any and all that pseudo exist on the grey.

A lot of the things we consider male and female is not BS. Perhaps it is to extreme left SJWs trying to destroy the boundaries between the two until we are a completely androgynous society who won't be able to defend ourselves when all those safe spaces are invaded. What we know as male and female has been established for centuries. Gender roles were taught and enforced, and done so for a very good reason: It taught boys how to be men, and girls how to be women. As human beings, males and females are equal, but from a biological, mental, and anatomical standpoint, we are different and different in a way where men and women compliment each other.

I mean, that only works in euro-centrist cultures, given how many African cultures were matriarchal until the colonisation, Native American (by which I mean on the whole continent) cultures were also pretty open on the whole sexual and gender identity until christianity was forced on them. I mean, if you want to get into it, women weren't believed to have souls in Ancient Greece, they didn't even have ages or birthdays since it was considered that a woman's life started at marriage (Greek culture may have been very forward in some aspects like sexuality and trans identities, but pretty lacking as to how it treated women). And again, if a woman chooses to NOT shave her body hair now she's called worse things than "SJW", but before the 1940s it wouldn't even have raised an eyebrow. Besides, saying men and women are "mentally" different from one another is... plain wrong, there's no peer reviewed study that proves that beyond going into a "nature vs nurture" debate (are women different than men because they're taught to be?).

I mean, just going by "men and women complement each other" erases homosexuality, which is present in the animal kingdom and is even given a biological reason (it helps keep the population growth under control). Really, the only ones I see calling for a "safe space" are specifically those either mocking the concept or that get "triggered" whenever confronted with anything that isn't completely heteronormative, not the actual people who only want to be treated with base respect.

Also, there are not only two sexes, that's invalidating intersex individuals who are born with both (and yes, before the inevitable "it's an exception, not the rule" then how do you treat them socially? it's not the same as being born deaf or blind, and we still have measures for them).

[rachcouture]

Yes, it's 2019 and Male/Female are still genders for most animals on this planet.

Sure, but only one species wears clothes, which is what this thread is about.

Actually, what I find more recent and BS is that "gender" is used for whatever the hell people want it to mean. Since there is no getting around the biological science that denotes there are only TWO sexes, gender is used to describe any and all that pseudo exist on the grey.

A lot of the things we consider male and female is not BS. Perhaps it is to extreme left SJWs trying to destroy the boundaries between the two until we are a completely androgynous society who won't be able to defend ourselves when all those safe spaces are invaded. What we know as male and female has been established for centuries. Gender roles were taught and enforced, and done so for a very good reason: It taught boys how to be men, and girls how to be women. As human beings, males and females are equal, but from a biological, mental, and anatomical standpoint, we are different and different in a way where men and women compliment each other.

Well, no. There's numerous chromosome strand variations i.e. Klinefelter's syndrome. It's not as simple as two sexes. Of course, arguing that with someone who resorts to meaningless buzzwords like 'extreme left SJWs' is likely pointless.

To OP: I am totally okay with this. Some of the attire gendering is laughably stereotypical (see: WHM AF pants three times in a row), especially coming from a studio that tends to be more progressive than most. I'm saying this as a total girly girl that loves shorts and skirts and all things femme.

[JunkhogMakison]

I mean, that only works in euro-centrist cultures, given how many African cultures were matriarchal until the colonisation, Native American (by which I mean on the whole continent) cultures were also pretty open on the whole sexual and gender identity until christianity was forced on them. I mean, if you want to get into it, women weren't believed to have souls in Ancient Greece, they didn't even have ages or birthdays since it was considered that a woman's life started at marriage (Greek culture may have been very forward in some aspects like sexuality and trans identities, but pretty lacking as to how it treated women). And again, if a woman chooses to NOT shave her body hair now she's called worse things than "SJW", but before the 1940s it wouldn't even have raised an eyebrow. Besides, saying men and women are "mentally" different from one another is... plain wrong, there's no peer reviewed study that proves that beyond going into a "nature vs nurture" debate (are women different than men because they're taught to be?).

I mean, just going by "men and women complement each other" erases homosexuality, which is present in the animal kingdom and is even given a biological reason (it helps keep the population growth under control). Really, the only ones I see calling for a "safe space" are specifically those either mocking the concept or that get "triggered" whenever confronted with anything that isn't completely heteronormative, not the actual people who only want to be treated with base respect.

Also, there are not only two sexes, that's invalidating intersex individuals who are born with both (and yes, before the inevitable "it's an exception, not the rule" then how do you treat them socially? it's not the same as being born deaf or blind, and we still have measures for them).

I want to like this multiple times so heres ☆☆☆☆☆

[JunkhogMakison]

Sure, but only one species wears clothes, which is what this thread is about.



Well, no. There's numerous chromosome strand variations i.e. Klinefelter's syndrome. It's not as simple as two sexes. Of course, arguing that with someone who resorts to pointless buzzwords like 'extreme left SJWs' is likely pointless.

To OP: I am totally okay with this. Some of the attire gendering is laughably stereotypical (see: WHM AF pants three times in a row), especially coming from a studio that tends to be more progressive than most. I'm saying this as a total girly girl that loves shorts and skirts and all things femme.

☆☆☆☆☆ stars for you too. And good point on the Whm pants that had completley slipped my mind as an example.

[Vahlnir]

I mean, that only works in euro-centrist cultures, given how many African cultures were matriarchal until the colonisation, Native American (by which I mean on the whole continent) cultures were also pretty open on the whole sexual and gender identity until christianity was forced on them. I mean, if you want to get into it, women weren't believed to have souls in Ancient Greece, they didn't even have ages or birthdays since it was considered that a woman's life started at marriage (Greek culture may have been very forward in some aspects like sexuality and trans identities, but pretty lacking as to how it treated women). And again, if a woman chooses to NOT shave her body hair now she's called worse things than "SJW", but before the 1940s it wouldn't even have raised an eyebrow. Besides, saying men and women are "mentally" different from one another is... plain wrong, there's no peer reviewed study that proves that beyond going into a "nature vs nurture" debate (are women different than men because they're taught to be?).

I mean, just going by "men and women complement each other" erases homosexuality, which is present in the animal kingdom and is even given a biological reason (it helps keep the population growth under control). Really, the only ones I see calling for a "safe space" are specifically those either mocking the concept or that get "triggered" whenever confronted with anything that isn't completely heteronormative, not the actual people who only want to be treated with base respect.

Also, there are not only two sexes, that's invalidating intersex individuals who are born with both (and yes, before the inevitable "it's an exception, not the rule" then how do you treat them socially? it's not the same as being born deaf or blind, and we still have measures for them).

Someone who actually knows what they're talking about? WHAT PLANET ARE YOU FROM? Either way it's good to see that there's people thinking logically out there. It keeps what little faith I have in humanity alive.

[Barraind]

It is the year of the Wombat, where everyone is the same and biological differences have been bred out of everything. What, do you think we're still living in the year of the wombat? FIE ON THE YEAR OF THE WOMBAT, I say! We must push forward into a time when...

Male/Female are still genders for most animals on this planet.

Oh. Carry on.

Gender isn't the same as sex, though.

In the overwhelming majority of places people use either of those words (even if one were to grant you that the 1980's definition is the correct one and that gender and sex are not implicitly linked), including this one, people use 'gender' when they mean 'sex'. And a lot of them use it because you can say gender and people are like eh, where if you say sex, people go "ermagerd sex".

Thats the case for things like "gender-locked" "gender-restricted" and so on. nobody is actually using the word "gender", theyre squeemish about using the word "sex" since it means the exact same thing if you arent following the "heres the feminist definition of "gender" that wasnt recognized until the late 2000's and still isnt recognized in most countries".