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  1. #21
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    DumdogsWorld's Avatar
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    I'm neither going to condemn nor encourage blind runs, because I try to not be judgmental about differing levels of casual play. However, I am constantly surprised (even though I shouldn't be) about how many people actually go into duties blind on their first clears. I understand it when you get a duty via a roulette in which you've forgotten every last mechanic. I also understand not watching videos, because they can take a long time to watch. However, you can still get a pretty good idea of what to do in a fight via a simple text guide.
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    Last edited by DumdogsWorld; 05-20-2019 at 08:37 AM.

  2. #22
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    Nomfur Farredzasyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld View Post
    I also understand not watching videos, because they can take a long time to watch. However, you can still get a pretty good idea of what to do in a fight via a simple text guide.
    Not necessarily. I have autism and ADHD, and am a kinaesthetic learner. For extreme/savage, I've tried using both text and video guides. They haven't helped an iota. In fact, I found I've done better going in blind than watching a guide. I'm an edge case I know, but that's just how things work for me (because the guides just cause me an "information overload"). Generally speaking though, I can pick up most things fairly quickly, however it requires me to break the fight down into smaller chunks.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    Not necessarily. I have autism and ADHD, and am a kinaesthetic learner. For extreme/savage, I've tried using both text and video guides. They haven't helped an iota. In fact, I found I've done better going in blind than watching a guide. I'm an edge case I know, but that's just how things work for me (because the guides just cause me an "information overload"). Generally speaking though, I can pick up most things fairly quickly, however it requires me to break the fight down into smaller chunks.
    i didnt know this was a thing, i also have autism but i have a better time understanding thing well organized and broken down instead of subtle social queus, so i have no friends, and people generally see me ass an asshole because i dont understand what they go through and their jokes, but when it comes to understanding the mechanics in the game i get those really quick even tho my muscles dont catch that quick when it comes to savage content
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  4. #24
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    For Savage/Extreme, I know that seeing what the current strats are is important. Mainly because going these kinds of raids are meant to be talked about and shared amongst the community to come up with the best way to clear.

    However, that's where that ends for me. I never once looked at a guide for any game, and I don't plan on starting. Frankly, people who look at guides either have no ability, motivation, or confidence, and that's okay. I play games to be challenged, to learn, and yeah to fail a lot until I find the best way. When someone tells me to look at a guide, I get the impression they are too lazy to tell me the main things to probably look out for (because not every mechanic is very clear in their presentation.) If that comes off as elitist... then I'm sorry, not sure what to say. I've never once needed or wanted to look at guides for a game unless there was some extreme circumstance, and I don't plan on starting it now. It's just completely against why I find games fun.
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  5. #25
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maverick_Haas View Post
    Snip!
    Again, I'm not judging...but I do want to mention that more than one kind of guide exist. I personally don't like the ones that try to tell you what to do, step by step. It makes it feel too much like they're trying to do the thinking for me. However, I like getting a nice, compiled list of some of the notorious abilities that a boss will use in order to avoid wipes, etc.
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    Hyomin Park
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    Nothing in this game needs players to watch a guide outside of Extremes, Savages, and Ultimates. Everything else has mechanics that can easily explained before a boss is pulled or even during. I've spent plenty of Orbonne runs calling out Thundergod Cid's Holy Swords. It's not a big deal as long as people listen and try to better themselves. When people don't listen, then yeah. I get frustrated. But it is what it is. Those who won't listen are not likely to watch a guide anyways.

    It's important to remember that not everyone can learn just by watching guides. I've done every piece of content this game can offer, from dungeons to Ultimates. But I learn by doing. I can watch videos on how to do Heavensfall or Tenstrike all day, but until I actually do them mechanics myself and learn timings, I will probably die to them (or live by sheer luck). Everyone learns things differently. And unless this is EX, Savage, or Ultimate, this is hardly something to complain about players not doing.
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    Sage | Astrologian | Dancer

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  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by DumdogsWorld View Post
    Again, I'm not judging...but I do want to mention that more than one kind of guide exist. I personally don't like the ones that try to tell you what to do, step by step. It makes it feel too much like they're trying to do the thinking for me. However, I like getting a nice, compiled list of some of the notorious abilities that a boss will use in order to avoid wipes, etc.
    so you are saying you dont like a step by step of what the boss does, because its like someone is thinking for you? because thats what i like on a guide, everything that the boss does in other for me to know what to expect
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  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Nothing in this game needs players to watch a guide outside of Extremes, Savages, and Ultimates. Everything else has mechanics that can easily explained before a boss is pulled or even during. I've spent plenty of Orbonne runs calling out Thundergod Cid's Holy Swords. It's not a big deal as long as people listen and try to better themselves. When people don't listen, then yeah. I get frustrated. But it is what it is. Those who won't listen are not likely to watch a guide anyways.

    It's important to remember that not everyone can learn just by watching guides. I've done every piece of content this game can offer, from dungeons to Ultimates. But I learn by doing. I can watch videos on how to do Heavensfall or Tenstrike all day, but until I actually do them mechanics myself and learn timings, I will probably die to them (or live by sheer luck). Everyone learns things differently. And unless this is EX, Savage, or Ultimate, this is hardly something to complain about players not doing.
    i am petty and complaining about people asking for help while not watching a guide for non savage content, because thats what i did until the very end of heavensward and expect nothing less from others
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    "Why should i watch a guide qhen you can just tell me?"

    I've seen someone talk to a mentor that way... the mentor leave btw cant blame him
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    Elan Centauri
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    Quote Originally Posted by TalosEscher View Post
    i am petty and complaining about people asking for help while not watching a guide for non savage content, because thats what i did until the very end of heavensward and expect nothing less from others
    Well...for non savage or non Extreme content watching a guide isn't needed. At all. If it's hard to type out a sentence or 2 describing some minor mechanics then I don't even know what to tell you. If it's Extreme trials, Savage raids or Ultimate then yeah, you have a point. People should come prepared for those.
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    Last edited by Vahlnir; 05-20-2019 at 09:20 AM.

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