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  1. #11
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    Krotoan's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by CraftOs View Post
    There are Chinese prisoners working in sweatshop conditions that farm Gil/Gold for several MMOs. Some of them running multiple instances of the same client if their PC is high end. My point is, if crafter jump potions are released, these guys can simply run scripts on their bottling programs to do just a little bit of grinding, (which would only take a few days by the way) and they will have omnicrafter accounts.

    All they are concerned about is their Time VS Effort spent, and how worth it, it is to them. As things are now, it is not worth it to level an account from 0 - 70. However, if Jump Potions were released, they would only need to be concerned about 60 - 80, which, like I said, doesn’t take that long to do. These people generate $800+ of in game currency on MMOs a day, you don’t think they are willing to invest that money to make further profitable omnicrafter accounts?

    I’m sorry, but as someone who is very passionate about crafting on this game, as I’ve done it since 2.0, it’s better that this doesn’t ever become a reality. It’s such a bad idea.
    .. you would still need to grind a DOW or DOM character from 1-60 and honestly you can take a crafting discipline from 1-60 with very little investment (relatively) of gil. Just buy the mats, people have the grinding formula spelled out on so many sites.
    I really don't think it would be as much of a problem.. or even any different than you say in the bot camp. Player camp would be something else though.. but you still would ONLY have one crafting discipline at 60 and that's pretty useless in and of itself for productivity.

    I honestly don't see any threat or difference between what we have now.
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    They exist in other versions of the game in the east, so I don't see why not.
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    Kaedan Burkhardt
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    Quote Originally Posted by CraftOs View Post
    Sorry, but I need to ask. Do you have any idea how much Chinese and Korean gil sellers make off of people buying RMT Gil? It’s actually quite a lot. If they release crafter jump potions, it would destroy the economy, firstly, by enabling these players to buy multiple accounts with multiple jump potions for each craft. As you know, money isn’t an issue for these people.

    Sorry, but no matter how you look at it, it’s dangerous to this game’s economy. The only thing that separates RMT and hard working crafters is effort. Let’s not remove that block, please. That’s all I’m saying.
    That.... isn't the slightest bit how RMT works.

    First of all, the vast majority of accounts that actually gather the gil to sell to RMT sites are in North America, not China. China is where the actual sites that sell the gil are located, but most of the gil is not gathered by the Chinese.
    Furthermore, many of the accounts used by RMT are hacked accounts or Free Trials which couldn't buy the skip potions anyway.
    And finally, since RMT relies on gathering as much as they can before the accounts they are using get deleted, they would never invest money into their accounts.

    Also, RMT sites aren't nearly as "rich" as you seem to think. Most of the money is pocketed by the owners of the site and they almost never invest money into their sites. Furthermore, because the RMT sites don't actually gather much of the gil themselves, it would make no sense to invest hundreds and thousands of dollars into crafters.

    And really finally... As I said: Moogle and Namazu quests. If RMT worked the way you mistakenly think it does, then they would very easily be able to get an army of max level crafters, because the supposed "sweatshop workers" would easily have the time to invest.

    Selling level skip potions for Crafters would not destroy the economy at all. In fact, it would probably help balance the economy since there would be more competition. The only reason someone wouldn't want this to happen would be if they are one of those crafters that are mega-rich and DON'T want proper free market competition because they'll start seeing smaller profit margins.
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  4. #14
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    Rica Elak'ha
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    I'm a Omnicrafter in theory but broke af because I'm lazy af, but still, I'm against Crafter Skip Potions. If I had to put in the time to get to 70, you/others have to do so as well.

    Yes, Moogle and Namazu exist to make it easier, but even they require to put in time on multiple days.
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    I'm taking Lore way too seriously. And I'm not sorry about that.

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    Nomfur Farredzasyn
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    Have all crafters 70, don't see an issue with this. Especially if they already exist in the eastern versions of the game. There's still the gearing aspect. In fact, it would bring prices down if you ask me, thus reducing the avenues the bots could exploit to make gil.

    Quote Originally Posted by Krotoan View Post
    And you cannot currently buy more than one skip pot.
    That hasn't been the case since I believe patch 4.1. You can buy as many level skip books as you want per character now.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

  6. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paladinleeds View Post
    That hasn't been the case since I believe patch 4.1. You can buy as many level skip books as you want per character now.
    Huh.. TIL then.

    still I'd be surprised if the Gil farmers would be willing to sink the time and effort needed to get all crafters to 70 along with the story JUST to try and get a piece of endgame crafting. It really isn't that hard to do now anyway.
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    Nonni Brilante
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    Quote Originally Posted by CorbinDallas View Post
    They exist in other versions of the game in the east, so I don't see why not.
    Do you have tangible proof of this?

    I'd object to crafter boost items mostly because between levekits and Ixal/Moogle/Namazu beast tribe quests, it's really not that hard to level crafters.
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    Nomfur Farredzasyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kazrah View Post
    I'd object to crafter boost items mostly because between levekits and Ixal/Moogle/Namazu beast tribe quests, it's really not that hard to level crafters.
    I would argue the same would apply with POTD/HoH and DoW/DoM jobs, yet we still got those level skip potions.
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    White Mage ~ Scholar ~ Paladin
    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    Boi if you got kicked for the same thing in over 20 duties I strongly suggest you think hard on whatever the hell it is you're doing

    As I'm sure you are well aware, it takes more than one person to be able to kick a player from a duty, so in all those instances there were at least two people agreeing they'd be better off without you tanking.

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    Ahnohla Mujuuk
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    You can't play the game without a DoW/DoM class. You can finish the game without ever leveling DoL/DoH. That is the difference. Gathering/Crafting is a side thing, ie completely optional, ergo boosts are not needed.
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  10. #20
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    I got all of my crafters from 50 to 54 just by doing the moogle story line. I haven't done them since, but I also have a lot of recipies to go on them. Heck my Weaver is 59 just from crafting things for the other classes and it's 51-55 list. Crafting and gathering is fairly fast in leveling. The reason why battle classes have them is because of how the msq has been designed and to go along with the story skips. Also I feel that a lot are kinda lazy and don't want to use the various avenues you can use outside of potd or hoh.
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