Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

Oh cool so whatever role you play you still like to blame others for failing.

And yet you keep blaming the tank because the healer didn't know how to follow a simple request...

Oh look, double standards.

[Veis_Alveare]

And yet you keep blaming the tank because the healer didn't know how to follow a simple request...

Oh look, double standards.

The healer chose not to play suboptimally to accommodate a tank with the gear and experience necessary to perform their roll.

That's not double standards it's logic.

[Lynesse]

Between Holy and Assize a WHM should never be afraid of melee.

You're right! But a lot of people sadly are.

The point is that it's always a team effort.

When I'm WHM/AST, I stick to the tank to make sure his/her life is easier. When I'm a tank, I do my very best to time my Flashes properly and peel stragglers off my teammates. It's usually not a problem, but it's more frustrating as a tank (at least as a PLD) because we get GCD bottlenecked.

So, healers who park themselves on top of me are a godsend because it only takes 1 GCD to grab everything, rather than running up to them and risking missing an enemy with a Flash because of latency or panic.

[JohnSpawnVFX]

The healer chose not to play suboptimally to accommodate a tank with the gear and experience necessary to perform their roll.

That's not double standards it's logic.

When is overhealing by using regen when it's not necessary optimal?

Oh wait, that's not being optimal, it's being lazy

[Yllania]

I sure in the hell dont play optimally but Im still of the opinion of dont do things to make things harder than they need to be. Why are you so ride and die about healers casting regen before pull, you could just wait 2 seconds after the tank pulls and it wouldn't be an issue.

[van_arn]

If you can't flash while pulling, you're bad.

[Melichoir]

Theres a difference between doing something that is long term useful, and doing something that is overall detrimental. There is no real advantage to applying regen to your tank prepul. They should already be capped, so youre wasting ticks, you generate aggro which may spin the boss around or make it harder for your tank to position, and youre feeding into a habit that at later tiers is a definite no no (you do not regen prepull in savage fights generally). If a tank asks you not to do it, and you continue to do it, you should get reprimanded by the tank and possibly kicked. Saying "Oh, well what is Flash/ROH/Enmity Generators" is literally you not taking responsibility for not playing responsible with your class and forcing the entire burden onto the tank. Remember, Enmity is a party wide management, not just the tanks. You are somewhat responsible for your own enmity as much as is the MT. Dont think that just cause your heals/dps that you dont have to watch your generation as well.

Im also not saying just go to immediate vote kick as the tank should discuss that with the healer and point out things at the very least for courtesy, but as a healer (or any class), doing something right out the gate that would make it difficult for a Tank to get that aggro and position the boss/mobs correctly is more on you than the tank. If I encountered a DPS or Healer who is fighting me on aggro on the pull, I would call it out. Not that it should happen, but it needs to be recognized part of the pull is positioning and handling of mobs. Dont make that harder cause you want to do something that has little net benefit.

[Rilifane]

This game has the same selfish community as other MMOs. Do you want to go quiet dungeon? The crowd dressed will not let you see the dungeon. I rocked 2 months reading quests epic, consistently killed bosses. And at level 50, the crowd begins to bring the final bosses as matches. Fortunately, I thought of leaving the dungeon. But the gaming experience is spoiled completely. A crowd of players rushing headlong spitting on the plot. Even in W ** I did not observe this. There will have to kill everything, whether you want to or not.
But youtube guys like to say "non-toxic community is all friendly." On my petition to be slower, I'm here for the first time, got ignored. Why make such dungeons where you do not have time to understand anything because of the sweaty guys the question is not closed.

I truly, truly admire the patience of the people who explained to you why the two level 50 dungeons are the way they are and how you may get around this. And you still call the FFXIV community selfish. I don't know what more you could possibly want.
You wanted to run a dungeon a certain way and now you call the community selfish because 7 other strangers didn't immediately oblidge. Yes, this isn an MMO. But that doesn't mean everyone has to bow to your whims escpecially when you have ways to find likeminded people (PF, LS, FC) but seemed to have used none of them or at least not properly.
Sorry hun, but if you think yourself entitled to 7 strangers doing everything the way YOU want it, you are the problem.

[Cheremia]

Friend (warrior) and me (bard) joined a Seiryu party, which went absolutely not well.

A sch was the party maker and a PLD by the same last name as the sch, were in the party from the beginning, so yeah.

I was assigned to B with that Paladin. Thankfully, the marker went on the PLD the first 4-5ish runs, since they were nowhere close. On the last pull, the marker went on me so i couldn't get into the waterthing, obviously. And there's the Paladin, running from don't know where, trying to get in, failing, we eat the damage down.
Things go south and we wipe. Again.
We wiped the whole time basically.

My friend, the Warrior was maintanking and was staying in deliverance. Got pointed out before. Which is fine. I get it, tanking with tankstance is worse than without, but i doubt it's the worst thing in the world. I know it's not.

But here is the catch: First and foremost, of course the SCH sided with the PLD, of course. Before we got new people in our group, they even said "you die, you get out".
Fun fact: The Paladin died more times average than the rest of us. Simply by the fact that they didn't even try to mitigate the tankbuster sometimes.
We also wiped a few times due to the WAR getting aggro back after shirking the Paladin for the tankswicth, since she got the aggro instantly back.
She(the warrior) even went so far to not attack after shirking, which still didn't work. We died so often to the tankswap that i can't even count it?

And the SCH and the PLD like "well if you wouldn't be in tankstance you wouldn't get aggro back, don't do your aggro combo" etc etc,... she didn't, i can vouch for that, she reads guides and everything to get better, just tanking without tankstance if she knows the pld is prone to dying is just not in her system.

AND ANOTHER THING, PLD like: "well if you want to do UWU and all you shouldn't be in tank stance!" first of all, what? Yeah but what does it have to do with Seiryu? You didn't even do that either???
Second of all, why is a Paladin, that ALWAYS eats 3+ vuln up(no joke, they always had at least 3 vuln ups), can't even do the serpent thing right AND dies to tankbusters, talking?

I was mean and told them that they shouldn't be like that if the paladin messes up the most and doesn't even care about vuln ups because they're not main tanking. We dps were over here, trying our best and then we die because the pld doesn't manage to have aggro for 2 seconds?
Of course, because we're both on balmung, the sch was like "oh take your rp back with you" and all that BS, since yeah, Balmung jokes, am i right? Hahhahahaha.

I have a joke, too! BOTH of them didn't upgrade one of their scaevan gear and have NO Materia ont heir gear!!!

Also needles to say that the SCH talked for the PLD most of the time and then dared to say "well i'm not the tank, dumbos" while we were talking to the tank, the SCH just came to their defense.

And then party gone. Time not well wasted.


Sorry for wall of text. And not sorry for typos.

Edit: I kind of forgot that they lowkey gave her the fault for wiping somehow.

[Kyasunshine]

Sorry hun, but if you think yourself entitled to 7 strangers doing everything the way YOU want it, you are the problem.

Oh yes. Give me one minute to look at the boss’s attacks so hard for the very busy 7 people. Incredible work for wait 50 seconds lol.

And again. Game not give me information about inv solo (like wow) in dungeons. And all normal players cant find party finder CUZ on main quest write "use duty finder". Not party. New player dont see how work party finder. He just push duty and go lol. I don’t understand why it’s impossible to cut the gear down to the 50th ilevel, not 120. These are just numbers in the code. Is this a long time to do?

How Im new player can avoid shittttty experiense? I reg it i dont know how that work. And LOL I cant leave from duty cuz need wait 10 mins. And watch how 70 no souls players kill bosses.
If only I knew in advance that at level 50 synchronization works like a piece of cake. I would not press the group search button in advance. It's like waiting for all seasons of the game of thrones for several years and you will end up spoiling. The same sensations.

AND stop say about 100000000000000000 runs on dung lol. I on wow do same times on all dungs and raids. And never dont say new player "why you slow" etc.