Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Gwenorai]

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Forgive me if I'm wrong, but everything you mentioned that is the most time consuming is literally 'quality control'' and/or 'quality assurance' - and I specifically said, 'Not including quality control.' I should have slapped in QA in there as well to be more clear in my previous post. This is also what Yoshida said the issue was, quality assurances. This isn't to look down at the devs hard work on the models and rigging - but it's a hell of a lot easier to create a model, do the rigging and animations when you don't have to keep going back and forth with the producer and countless of meetings to make sure it's up to his standards. That's the issue, he's admitted to that. It's not cash, it's resources and the fact Yoshida can't be everywhere at once for constant overseeing. He's a hard nut to please. It's why I'm thankful he's finally settled on basic skeleton 'appearance' for male Viera for the concept artists to work from.

Yes, it took them an entire expansion to create a race - yeah, if you're working on it sparingly while doing everything else then yes it's going to take two years. But we need to step away from the imagery that the devs were working feverishly on the race constantly for two years. It's more like this, in the last two years they've been working on patches for Storm Blood which included, savage, trials, dungeons, 24man and etc. While also working on Shadow Bringers which happened to include the race, as well as lore, the world, the story, voice acting, new armours, new designs, new enemies, new environs, music, etc etc etc

Either way, kind of beating a dead horse with a stick. Our little forum dispute means crap all. I ain't in any rush for them to push this out either way.

[zeylos]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but everything you mentioned that is the most time consuming is literally 'quality control'' and/or 'quality assurance' - and I specifically said, 'Not including quality control.' I should have slapped in QA in there as well to be more clear in my previous post. This is also what Yoshida said the issue was, quality assurances. This isn't to look down at the devs hard work on the models and rigging - but it's a hell of a lot easier to create a model, do the rigging and animations when you don't have to keep going back and forth with the producer and countless of meetings to make sure it's up to his standards. That's the issue, he's admitted to that. It's not cash, it's resources and the fact Yoshida can't be everywhere at once for constant overseeing. He's a hard nut to please. It's why I'm thankful he's finally settled on basic skeleton 'appearance' for male Viera for the concept artists to work from.

Yes, it took them an entire expansion to create a race - yeah, if you're working on it sparingly while doing everything else then yes it's going to take two years. But we need to step away from the imagery that the devs were working feverishly on the race constantly for two years. It's more like this, in the last two years they've been working on patches for Storm Blood which included, savage, trials, dungeons, 24man and etc. While also working on Shadow Bringers which happened to include the race, as well as lore, the world, the story, voice acting, new armours, new designs, new enemies, new environs, music, etc etc etc

Either way, kind of beating a dead horse with a stick. Our little forum dispute means crap all. I ain't in any rush for them to push this out either way.

I think it's best not to push them to do it quickly like you said and wait patiently. I think that if they rush it is would be most likely so bad id rather had waited until 6.0 to get them, so no rush

[Alleo]

So.. Cart before the horse there. We got fran because they were making Viera. Not Viera because they had fran.

It's a little nit picky, but I think that's an important point. Fran was a result, not a cause. Especially as she was a fully realized and unique model using NPC rather than a slapped together one-and-done.

Yes at least in this interview. (Its really a bit confusing on what came first) But at least this shows that they only included her after it was decided to give us the female Vieras. Which is still in my reasoning. Dont give us NPCs if you dont want to also give it to us as playable race. Otherwise people will even more just see what they will never get.

I would really like to see the math on how 2 years of development of a race can be profitable based purely on sells of a $10 item then all that time and effort could have been directed at the many other items people grab up on the Mogstation and the fact that they give potions out for free.

Hell, if you have played this game long enuff back when the potion was a vet reward any new character you make gets a free potion from start. I can (and will) make an alt right now and prep it for converting into my Raid server Hrothgar and not have to spend a dime on it to race change in ShB.

Well they are profitable in more than fantasia sales. Some might not have had interest in the game until they saw the new race. Some might have lost interest in the game but might at least start to play a bit more with the new race. Then you have the Mog station glamour that would not have looked good on their characters before but with the new ones its perfect in their eyes thus buy it.

And lets not forget that there are addicts in this game. Some might just use the free fantasia and never much change.(But if they dont give another free fantasia then this could mean that even those might need to buy one too) Some are changing constantly. For example: You have someone that loves two races and cant decide which to play, so they swap around every two weeks or every month. Now another new race is introduced and they love that too. Of course it can simply mean that they will stick to their plan and only do the change like they did before, but they could also add to it and increase the amount of changes. Thus more money.

These people that change so often might at the same time not buy much from the mog station (and you are still kinda hindered with adding huge amount of items in there or you will anger your customerbase too much)

[zeylos]

People talking about ff14 revenue as if it was solely used for ff14 alone...

Ppl isn't really talking about it like that. In fact, I agree with you on the fact that most of he money this game makes is used to create kh3 ff7 remake and perhaps a new ff mmo or a new ff16

[zeylos]

Also, I just wondered how are hey gona do the gender icon for the missing genders. I think it might be something that tells a lot about the issue

[Taybat]

So are people still throwing out homophobic slurs at players that want both genders?

[Veis_Alveare]

So are people still throwing out homophobic slurs at players that want both genders?

I dunno, can you find a single example of that?

[Senn]

I dunno, can you find a single example of that?

They have been deleted by mods. Even if they did have examples, it would be wise not to repost it.
Although I haven't really been reading recently, so I don't know if there are any examples these past few pages.

[Quipsy]

It's amplified on twitter where people are throwing around slurs left and right, but this thread regularly loses a page or so because someone comes along and posts some thing like "I'm glad you [redacted] and fujoshi aren't getting your ERP twinks" or something to that effect. I look into this thread every once in a while when I'm not doing anything else, and sometimes people say some fairly disgusting things for whatever reason. It's a good thing that the mods stay on top of things like that, it's quite obviously not constructive.

[Shiro--Tsubasa]

I'd rather they focus on things that wouldn't bite us in the ass later on. Resources are finite. Adding two more character models will only take those resources away from things that could benefit everybody instead of just the few people who would play those genders such as more glamours due to having to cater each and every glamour to more models inflating the amount of work needed from the already overworked dev team, expansion of customization options onto the races/genders we already have in the game who really need an upgrade, etc.
Them adding the other genders isn't just asking to add something else, it is also asking to take away what we would have gotten if they didn't cater to the whining.