Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[ArianeEwah]

Ya no, if they are bis then that means they have several pieces on from omega savage. Even if they got 'carried' they should know enough about their class to handle wimpy regen ticks, but you can't be sure. You're just making excuses to justify the tank not using flash.A Shield Lob with regen on you while running towards mobs might result in not hitting them with flash. I often forget to click off regens and sometimes lose hate, I have dumb healers who put regens on mid pull, it literally takes little to high effort - if healer decides to run away to get agro back. He's not dealing with a blm who went super saiyan and is refusing to use diversion. Its a regen. Use ultimatum and flash once you're able to reach them. Problem fixed.

FTFY

And no, just because they have several omega pieces doesn't mean they are good. I've seen enough people screwing up their rotation big time, but still doing enough together with other well-playing players to get carried.

edit: and yes, party leader refuse to kick those players just because they want to 'get this over with'

A Regen doesn't cause enough enmity to pull off of a single flash even in Sword Oath. If the tank is the least bit competent this it's literally not an issue.

I don't know why you think this particular (bad?) tank already did a flash on mobs. Ofc a flash is enough to hold aggro against a regen, but that is not the problem here. The problem is to hit them with flash before the trash is rushing towards the healer.

[LalaRu]

Got a Qarn hard run with two BLM decently geared. Was happy about pulls and everything melting down quickly.

If I'm posting here, you already know how it ended...

All and every pull, mobs dying so slow that I were noticing my only tank aoe making damage. Adds taking ages to die, and in a couple times the whm two-holy shotted the mobs that two blm weren't able to burn down. 4 wipes at the emperatrix. It was OMG

[Anselmet]

FTFY

And no, just because they have several omega pieces doesn't mean they are good. I've seen enough people screwing up their rotation big time, but still doing enough together with other well-playing players to get carried.

edit: and yes, party leader refuse to kick those players just because they want to 'get this over with'

Sure hun. A tank that can clear omega savage enough to get bis doesn't know how to get sufficient agro in a ex roulette bc that is sooooo likely. You can change my quote all you want to fit your wild fantasies but they are just that... fantasies. Regen ticks > bis tank lol what, indeed!

Excuse me while I laugh myself to sleep.

[ADVSS]

Got a Qarn hard run with two BLM decently geared. Was happy about pulls and everything melting down quickly.

If I'm posting here, you already know how it ended...

All and every pull, mobs dying so slow that I were noticing my only tank aoe making damage. Adds taking ages to die, and in a couple times the whm two-holy shotted the mobs that two blm weren't able to burn down. 4 wipes at the emperatrix. It was OMG

Had a looooooooooooooooong Brayflox(Hard) run with the same comp, me tanking. was disappoint. Maybe we got the same 2 BLM?

[ArianeEwah]

Sure hun. A tank that can clear omega savage enough to get bis doesn't know how to get sufficient agro in a ex roulette bc that is sooooo likely. You can change my quote all you want to fit your wild fantasies but they are just that... fantasies. Regen ticks > bis tank lol what, indeed!

Excuse me while I laugh myself to sleep.

You know it's funny how you can say 'uh, they cleared savage, they must know how to handle ex dungeons like they know the back of their hands'. No, they must not! It is unlikely that they wouldn't be able to handle it, they should. But I'va had so many extreme scenarios where this happened, it's not impossible!

Despite all this, a healer putting a bothersome regen on the tank, and telling them to deal with just because they've done savage is not right!
And you can't tell if this player has done savage as tank either. They could've played DPS then and get a tank weapon, and then decided to run ex.

hf laughing!

[Kaylessa]

A tank punishing the DPS in their party because they have a feud with the healer is them just being petulant. You don't bring other people into your spat *shakes head*

[Kleeya]

With people selling savage runs all day long in pf, meaning there is customers for this kind of thing (otherwise nobody would bother advertising this kind of offer), i would not expect all players in BIS knowing how to play well XD

And even without buying runs you can very well stumble on someone who did get BIS stuff playing something else. For example i could get some healer BIS with my RDM if i wanted too, but that dont means i would be good at healing you.

[Rilifane]

I think mid-pull Regen aswell as any other sort of mid-pull healing shouldn't be done unless the tank is either close to dying or it has been communicated before. I get that a good tank is easily able to handle mid-pull healing, escpecially if the healer handles it well by tailing the tank and body-slamming him whenever a mobs turns his head.
But it's not something I expect of complete strangers.

Being able to set hots and shields on the run means I can go straight into mad aoe spam as soon as the tank positioned the mobs, so it's cool of the tank is up for it. But I usually type a quick "you okay with mid-pull regen bubbles?". Many of them are fine with it as long as they know it's about to happen. They see me tailing them, sprinting with them and it's all good. Guess mid-pull healing for tanks feels similiar to repositioning of mobs for dps. When you see it coming it's all good and you can react accordingly more easily.
You're playing with strangers, not your bffs. A bit of adjusting here and there goes a long way.

That said, even if he asked you to stop and you were just like "lolnope suck it up" his reaction was childish and petty. If someone's being an ass, have a quick serious talk with them and if they don't see reason, kick them. But this "ha! now I'll show by not tanking! bleeh!" is getting them nowhere.

[Anselmet]

You know it's funny how you can say 'uh, they cleared savage, they must know how to handle ex dungeons like they know the back of their hands'. No, they must not! It is unlikely that they wouldn't be able to handle it, they should. But I'va had so many extreme scenarios where this happened, it's not impossible!

Despite all this, a healer putting a bothersome regen on the tank, and telling them to deal with just because they've done savage is not right!
And you can't tell if this player has done savage as tank either. They could've played DPS then and get a tank weapon, and then decided to run ex.

hf laughing!

OP said FULL bis not just he had omega savage wep on. Ex roulette is easy. Regen ticks are easy. You want to cut hairs and be like, 'oh but it might have been this might have been that' but it does not change that 1. It literally does not take much to get agro back from regen ticks mid pull 2. the healer did not even say that they were running around and away from the tank 3. its the dps that suffered bc mr pld with his full bis could not handle one annoying healers regen ticks. And I did not say 'uh they cleared savage so they must know ex dungeon like they know the back of their hands' I said that they've cleared savage so they have to know enough about their class and how to gain and lose agro. It is such a common mistake that healers do. Its a minor nuisance that is solved extremely quickly. Could it have been their first time and therefor doesn't know the dungeon? Sure, but holy hell how unlikely of a scenario that is and if you do harder content most dungeons are VERY easy to figure out. Also it was trash mobs which does mr bis pld need a guide for that, too? I mean I sure hope by the time you are lvl 70, let alone have bis, that you know what a trash mob is and how to handle it. Like is it your goal to find every stupid possibility no matter how sky rocketingly unlikely the scenario is all so you can ignore that the pld most like did have the knowledge and the know how on how to deal with healer regens all bc YOU have had some bad co-tanks in savage. Ya okay tank was totally just a poor dude who got handed his full set of bis by some buddy of his that player his character so he could have that gear. Sure, w.e. I just hope the dps had quick ques bc mr bis pld couldn't handle some run of the mill healer ticks.

[Aosha]

My stance on pre-pull regens is generally "eh, I'll just deal with it", whether that means clicking it off, or changing how I do pulls. That is to say, if I keep the regen on me, I won't do Shield Lob/Tomahawk, and instead just rush to the enemy pack and AoE them immediately (DRK can just AD the group if it's tightly enough together), since doing the ranged hit first would mean there's now 2.3x seconds into which the 3s regen tick can slot into making the mobs beeline immediately to the Healer. Of course, Scorn and Equilibrium can be used as immediate enmity gain to neutralize that issue, but they're not up for every pack. But yes it's generally possible and not even very difficult to adapt to regen. When healing I don't put one on tanks just as a courtesy since I know how annoying they can be if times badly, and since... well you can't exactly be sure of the tank's competence.

The one exception to regen deal-with-ability being pulls where there's a large pack of mobs very spread out, in a way where it's impossible to hit everything at once. Examples here include the last pack of the Burn, as well as the mass of coblyns in the same dungeon. Things are so spread out there that no matter how good a PLD or DRK is, if a regen is ticking, the healer WILL get mobs on them (WAR can still Equilibrium, if it's up). There's also the other variant, "enemies that aggro to you before you can even target them", which Ghimlyt Dark contains quite a few of. If they stay in that state long enough for a regen tick to go off... well guess where they're going as soon as they properly "materialize." Bonus points if the enemies come from different directions or materialize at slightly different times.
For packs like that I'll either hope the healer doesn't use a regen, or does it early enough for me to be able to click it off (sorry controller players), or if not that, then at least bring the stuff they grab to me so I don't have to chase after them (which I don't expect the average DF regener to do), and if even that's not an option, I'll just groan and pick them up. It really screws with pull planning and Sprint usage, and is annoying as all heck, but still something that's not hard to deal with.

As for the case being discussed before:
The Paladin's request was reasonable, but the way they reacted to it being denied was unacceptable. OP's reaction to the request was maybe a bit crummy (although some of that may be justified depending on how said Paladin originally made it: there's a big difference between "yo jackass you better not regen me again or I'll shove your dog in an incinerator WRYYY" and "hey could you please not do pre-pull regens on me? thank you"), but something any reasonable player could have just passed by instead of... that.