Playable kids in FFXIV

[Wyvernheart]

They just sick and wicked people without a true moral compass. The children of Esau being who they are is all. Creeps.

[Azelas]

Wanna play as kids? Then go play TERA ya freaks.

[Vidu]

I still think that the existence of something shouldn't be considered "Offering" it for any purpose.

Especially if that purpose happens to be something that a player has to go out of their way to do.

Or is the game currently "Offering" the ability to make inappropriate content because child models exist in the game files and thus someone can use third party tools to utilize them and make them nude - Even without them being playable?

Is the game "Offering" the ability to hack it and use teleport cheats like bots do?



See, this is the problem. In order to do sexualization of a child model if one was made playable, it too would require tools that aren't developed by SE to make that happen.

That is, unless SE also create a bunch of sexualized emotes and gear for them. But surely that would be the problem with creating those emotes and gear, not the inclusion of the playable child models.

We already have gear that is supposed to be sexy and not something you should put a child in, so unless they'd just lock things like the bunny-outfit or the thavnair-stuff for child-like characters you wouldnt need a nude-mod to sexualize the kids - you could put the child-model designed by SE into clothes designed by SE, lay them down on a bed designed by SE and so on.

I can understand that one doesnt want to use their imagination to much in this regard - but even without thinking to much about this I can see why there is a difference between mods adding a lot to the game to make child-characters happen and SE outright offering them. You wouldnt need a nude-mod to put them into lewd-situations.

(Intrestingly the first artbook to ARR already features the comment of one of the designers stating that they're trying not to sexualize those types of gear for lalafell to much)

I think this still comes with the oddity that is defining "Kids"

Like, what age range are we all actually talking about here?

Since, Yoshida mentions only "characters that resembled young boys and girls"

But how young are we talking, specifically?

Since, I'm only aware of people asking for younger characters, so more like Alphinaud/Alisaie age. Which is apparently fine for violence.

While "Young boys and girls" suggests more like pre-teen. In which case the violence would be a big no-no (But also wouldn't be supported by lore either)

I'm not sure if Japan has been asking for actual pre-teens, but from what I've seen from EU/US it's been more stuff like the Twins/Padjal type teenage characters as opposed to Khloe/Rielle type characters.

Interestingly enough, Rielle is involved in combat - You have to protect her and she also will heal you during the DRK job quests.

Also Sylphie (Whom is canonically 14 years old) gets involved in combat during the CNJ/WHM job quests (Along with Gatty whom not only gets involved but also gets assaulted by voidsent)

Oh, trust me, I've seen people ask to play actual kids like Khloe (who really does look more like 10 than 13).

And there simply is a difference between you protecting a child in a 30-minute-duty and your character being a child whos constantly involved in combat.

Why all this age nitpicking and why is it so difficult to understand that characters who are clearly underage could easly lead to problems? One-time duties that involve children in combat-situations are not the same as playing through the mainstory with a character that you can put in any outfit you want.

[Gwenorai]

I thought part of the issue with it - regarding violence - is that with the young characters that are involved in combat if they are KO'd they don't actually fall over and 'die' - you simply fail the quest. While with the player if we fail the quest by taking too much damage we fall over and look 'dead' on the floor.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong if they actually fall to the ground or take a knee? I don't recall being able to see any of the young characters actually being KO'd.

[reivaxe]

Wanna play as kids? Then go play TERA ya freaks.

Or wait for Peria Chronicles.

Powerful Character Creator ... sucks that It's gonna be a hub for certain people.

Can also play B&S lyn.

[bluejayz]

If you can play as a LaLa you should be able to play as a teen

[Neoyoshi]

I'm not sure if this is a troll-post or a serious thread by someone who actually wants to play a child, but... either way I hope its pretty clear to everyone that there is a huge difference between letting us play Alphinaud for 30 minutes (maximum amount of time you have for the duty) and our PC being a child. Using this duty as argument to let us play children is weak at best, silly at worst.

Besides Alphinaud being 16 years old, so more of a teenager than an actual child. While he certainly does look very young, he doesnt look like a little kid (unlike, for example, Khloe).

People seem to want to keep this conversation alive, but ...for the sake of the twelve, it really needs to disappear into the void and never be mentioned again.

And yes, thank you, Khloe and the other children from the orphanage are great examples of Child characters and is exactly the type of character WE do not want playable; and those who do, should .... probably go play Second Life or something; i don't know, but it ain't never happening. So thank you for pointing this things out Vidu.

[Gwenorai]

I will never understand why people wish to play as teens/kids... Are teens/kids not getting enough validation in other games? If you're an adult and you want to run around as an actual child then I'm sorry then I honestly find that majorly suspicious. I understanding wanting to play a character that is your actual age. But I have a sneaky suspicion that those who are wanting to play as children/teens aren't actually teens or children. Besides, half of the races you can easily be a 'teen' already. All of the teenagers, barring Elezen are adult size in height. You either have, child - or adult teenager, there's no in between with the models. There's a teenage Male Au'ra in the stepps who is full height for instance. Canon WoL looks like he was in his late teens when he started; he's still average height. A lot of the female Miqo'te you come across seem to be very young as well, in their late teens - etc, they are still of average kitty height.

[Nestama]

People seem to want to keep this conversation alive, but ...for the sake of the twelve, it really needs to disappear into the void and never be mentioned again.

And yes, thank you, Khloe and the other children from the orphanage are great examples of Child characters and is exactly the type of character WE do not want playable; and those who do, should .... probably go play Second Life or something; i don't know, but it ain't never happening. So thank you for pointing this things out Vidu.

Pssst, that's a double negative. You're saying they are happening o:

But yeah, children shouldn't be playable. I've given my reasons why in various threads asking for them to be playable in some shape or form. RP reasons aside, there's also the whole immersion/lore stuff as well. I find it hard to believe that a child, even with the Echo and Blessing, can handle the nonsense our character goes through (even Fordola questions how we deal with this). Abduction, betrayal, loss, drugged and almost being killed several times in cutscenes. Then there's also how unrealistic/stupid it is to see a child becoming a Captain of a Grand Company and being a master of multiple Jobs.

[rachcouture]

The 'time bubble' refers to player progression, in which various story lines can be (and often are) completed out of sync from one another. Canonically, time on Hydaelyn is 1:1 with the real world (with accelerated in-game day/night transitions for obvious design reasons). This was established a very long time ago. Years ago, even.