A question to all WoW players coming to XIV

[zylo1010]

I played 11 before I played wow. And when 14 came out I wanted to play but at the time couldn't afford it. When ARR came out I immediately left wow for it. And have bounced back and forth since them. ATM I have active subs for both. Not all wow players view or even like asmongold.

To be honest to call one game "too anime" to play, then you play a game with cows, wolves, and pandas as playable races...... I'm just lost for words there.

[Kuurei]

Basically in terms of Gameplay, we have a lot of phases in FF14 fights at higher levels where you are required to move around a good bit and are usually punished for failing said movement -- especially if under geared. For instance, transitioning to one of the phases on Suzaku requires you to play a DDR styled mini game in which incorrect movements effect the damage you're going to receive. Not immediately snapping onto her Scarlet Ladies when they spawn also has the potential to turn into an automatic wipe, since they need to be burned asap. Sometimes, players have to react to immediate unavoidable damage, particularly in the case of healers.

WoW gameplay is a lot more focused on making sure you can keep your class-specific resources topped off, maintaining buffs, and burning through phase gates. While some fights do exist that require a style closer to twitch mechanics, they're also generally more forgiving (in my experience) than their FFXIV counterparts. DPS almost always hug the mob's butt and stay out of immediate danger, rather than having to move due to excessive aoes or special cleaves/mid-fight events. Especially outside Mythic and Raid content, WoW seems more tailored to the old stand-and-stab systems than any kind of real moving/reacting.

Also -- at the Art stuff, nah, no offense taken. It's an understandable case of confusion tbh.

[linay]

weeb usually means "this looks anime and I don't like anime"

Such a person might consider Avatar to be weeb, even though it's an American cartoon.

To this person, XIV looks weeb.

Ok, since I've also heard of weeb as a derogatory term to refer to foreigners trying to incorporate Japan in their lives, like dressing up in a certain way or using Japanese terms like "sensei" when not speaking Japanese or to a Japanese.

If it was like that, to me, someone who likes to watch pokemon and may or may not even know it's from Japan doesn't fit the "weeb" label. But if it's just anything to do with anime or looking like anime, like Avatar, then I guess I can more understand the usage somewhat. Still, if that's the case, then why not just use anime or anime-like instead of weeb?

[Reeereee]

I have a hard time getting into SWTOR because of the art style and particularly how ugly the characters are so it doesn't surprise me that there would be someone else out there on the other end of the spectrum. I mean, someone must actually prefer that style or they wouldn't make games like that, right?

[van_arn]

Ok, since I've also heard of weeb as a derogatory term to refer to foreigners trying to incorporate Japan in their lives, like dressing up in a certain way or using Japanese terms like "sensei" when not speaking Japanese or to a Japanese.

If it was like that, to me, someone who likes to watch pokemon and may or may not even know it's from Japan doesn't fit the "weeb" label. But if it's just anything to do with anime or looking like anime, like Avatar, then I guess I can more understand the usage somewhat. Still, if that's the case, then why not just use anime or anime-like instead of weeb?

Because that's how it's used.

It can refer to a host of things, but if we're talking about aesthetics it's weeb. If we're looking at the community, there's certainly a contingent of what you describe as "weeb."

Whether or not it's meant as an insult depends on the context of what is being said, and by who is saying it. That's how slang works.

As for "why not use something else" well... you'll have to ask the person using it. That's like asking "why'd you say cake when you could have said cupcake."

[NessaWyvern]

I played FF games before I played WoW, but I played WoW before I played FFXIV. Races look more similar to each other than WoW, but the individual looks more different. Sure, I can't be a beastial worgen, tauran, troll or pandaren, but atleast my character looks different from other people's characters!

I also like how my character can be every class and do everything. I don't like how I'd have to get a new character, of a race I don't particularly like, and level grind to max before seeing how it plays. And have multiple characters for multiple crafting, and crafting being so shallow in WoW.

Also, no player housing in WoW. My FF14 house is my chill-zone.

WoW is more cartoonish than ff14, and ff14 griffons look a lot better than theirs. I don't see FF14 as anime-looking, I see it as final fantasy looking, since I played FF games before I ever watched anime.

And yeah, FF14 fights are harder than WoW ones, and Wow leveling dungeon are more of a faceroll than FF14's.
But it's easier to get into hard battles in FF14, because the playerbase is a bit more chill and welcoming.

FCs feel miles better than guilds.

I will say that WoW waaay has better PvP though. I really wish FF14 would up their PvP game.

[Alaray]

One aspect, to me, is there's little variation between the characters. They're all largely similar variations of each other and, done in an anime style, tend to remain slender/thin and in quite a few cases, frail-looking (i.e: Female au'ra, miqo'te, etc...). And to clarify: I am talking about the models, not the individual options to choose from on a smaller scale.


WoW characters have more variation in their design and model, Hrothgar being something closer to these types of differences. And there were a variety of options for, at least for me, female characters: Tauren, Undead, Elf, Panda, Orc, Worgen etc... all had distinct flavors to them. While in XIV, the only real options to play either a taller female character (elezen/roe) or a tall + buff one (roe) is basically choosing from two humans, one's just more muscular than the other. And that's it.

The general feel of XIV characters tends to be soft and anime, which does turn people off of the game (just as much as it's a factor for people who enjoy that style).

At least, that's my opinion. WoW had more overall variation to choose from, some more bestial and feral than others, with still some that fit the "cuter" style. That lack of variation turned me off the game for a while until I just got into it and got over most of the hangups I, personally, had.

But while I played WoW heavily enough, I also played GW2 which, still, had larger and more variations (compare: Sylvari to Asura to Charr).


End of the day, it's all just personal preference and people generally go to where their preferences lie. Some people prefer XIV's gameplay/boss design and not its aesthetic choices, and vice-versa. But this is just what I, personally, felt with it when comparing XIV character aesthetic to character aesthetics in other titles.

[Reeereee]

Ok, since I've also heard of weeb as a derogatory term to refer to foreigners trying to incorporate Japan in their lives, like dressing up in a certain way or using Japanese terms like "sensei" when not speaking Japanese or to a Japanese.

If it was like that, to me, someone who likes to watch pokemon and may or may not even know it's from Japan doesn't fit the "weeb" label. But if it's just anything to do with anime or looking like anime, like Avatar, then I guess I can more understand the usage somewhat. Still, if that's the case, then why not just use anime or anime-like instead of weeb?

I believe terms like weeb originate on 4chan. Which means asking why will only lead down a rabbit hole of degeneracy. It's really best not to know.

[Reap00]

People like Asmongold can rack up several hundred thousand views within minutes or hours of posting. If Asmongold announced he was joining FFXIV, whatever server he landed on would be the new Balmung within a day. He's got the ability to pull a huge swath of current and former WoW-players his way...

But he seems to be favoring ESO right now (been a few days since I checked though), so the WoW community is more likely to leave WoW for ESO now than for FFXIV.


I don't think he's written off FFXIV yet though. Asmongold is desperate right now to find a new game... and he's basically lashing out as he looks. He's half talking himself into things and half talking himself out.
- He's really useful to watch if you want to understand what that community as a whole is going through right now... feeling betrayed and not knowing where to turn, and realizing that all these other choices are there, but not quite your space...

If we could get him to show a level 50 or 60 raid on his stream, as he played it... he'd be sold. But at level 1... those catgirls and lalas can be offputting if you're not used to that sort of thing (and my historic main in this game is a catgirl, this isn't me knocking FFXIV, just noting that it's a pretty strange environment for those not used to anime tropes).

Asmongold is a Blizzard zombie. He puts on an act but would never play another game full time.

[linay]

Because that's how it's used.

It can refer to a host of things, but if we're talking about aesthetics it's weeb. If we're looking at the community, there's certainly a contingent of what you describe as "weeb."

Whether or not it's meant as an insult depends on the context of what is being said, and by who is saying it. That's how slang works.

As for "why not use something else" well... you'll have to ask the person using it. That's like asking "why'd you say cake when you could have said cupcake."

Yeah, I guess my problem is with slang in general because it can be very fluid in meaning and intention, which makes it harder to respond to or engage with without assuming what they mean.