Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

If there was really not going to be any chance of them at 6.0, SE would have most likely already said that considering they have already experienced what happens when you let hopes too high up from your customers. I posted asuming they were making the other genders, but there is a chance we might never get them added ofc. I also said I will support for them, but if in 2 years they are not here, I will no longer continue to suppor SE because that's just how I personally feel. Also, remember this is YoshiP we are talking about, so you ALWAYS have to reeeally look into the hidden messages for what he might have said. There is a possibilty that his not right now simply meant not at shadowbringers launch, and It wouldn't really surprise me if they said this so ppl will get their hopes low and they can gain twice the praise for doing the missing genders

But the thing is, you're setting yourself up. He specifically said "I want to be clear that this does not mean it will eventually happen, and that I cannot make any promises at this time. I hope you will understand and bear with us." This doesn't have any secret meaning behind it. He's trying to tell people that it may happen but there's no guarantee. I highly doubt they would say no right now because that would just cause further issue. It's not a no, but it's also not a yes. And I believe if you keep on this crusade of "We'll have them at 6.0!" then you're going to misinform people and cause hopes to raise when they shouldn't. That will just result in another community freakout on the forums and on Reddit.

[jake200135]

But the thing is, you're setting yourself up. He specifically said "I want to be clear that this does not mean it will eventually happen, and that I cannot make any promises at this time. I hope you will understand and bear with us." This doesn't have any secret meaning behind it. He's trying to tell people that it may happen but there's no guarantee. I highly doubt they would say no right now because that would just cause further issue. It's not a no, but it's also not a yes. And I believe if you keep on this crusade of "We'll have them at 6.0!" then you're going to misinform people and cause hopes to raise when they shouldn't. That will just result in another community freakout on the forums and on Reddit.

I mean, there is likely to be a community freak out even if people set their expectations low. I'm not sure there is a whole lot that can be done about that.

[reivaxe]

You're getting your hopes up and assuming that they'll even want to implement them. He didn't outright say no but he also said "not right now" which likely means they won't have that on their scope of work anytime soon. If you remember, Yoshi P told us that they started development of the new races a month after Stormblood released. They started that early and still barely had models ready in time for the FanFest.

Getting your hopes up that they're going to be ready for 6.0 is likely setting yourself up for disappointment when 6.0 comes around and they don't have them for you. I'm going to hope they find the time to make them, but I'm also being realistic and thinking about development time plus their time needed to balance jobs new and old. If you don't think rationally about it, then there's just going to be another hate mob that rises at 6.0 release.

Pretty much.

He said that IF they could find a way past all the many hurdles that stop them from adding more races PERHAPS we will see them someday. We know that it takes a full expansion to make them if they decide to start on them at the beginning of an expansion ... doesn't sound like they have any ways around these hurdles right now so I don't think 6.0 is in the cards and never got why people say so.

Plus there's the fact that they are considered a race (Male-Female models) and the last new race we got was followed by an expansion without a new race. It's hard work adding a new race, sucks up a ton of time and resources from other things. I'm sure they have many plans for ShB that don't factor in the additional strain and cost of adding yet another new race in the dev cycle all over again and would prefer the people who would work on that be freed up to work on other things.
I mean, the additional strain of the female Viera and male Hrothgar moving forward hasn't even been fully seen yet and by their projections this is all they can do ... I'd think they would logically look at the numbers over the course of ShB and use that to see if they can handle adding another race.

"But the longer they wait the harder it becomes!" It's not just a 1-and-done, it makes everything harder moving forward regardless of when they add them and if they can't find a way around that it's not happening.
So yeah, I don't think it's happening. If it does I think 7.0 is the earliest you can expect it.

[Vonleo]

I would have personally rather have had full hrotgar race with the possibility of Viera being added sometime in the future than having gender locked viera and lions with the chance of seeing the other genders added on the future, but maybe that's just me

But wasn't Hrotgar race suppose to be the last race? with them adding in two different races that opens up the possibility of having an extra race in the end right?

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Pretty much.

He said that IF they could find a way past all the many hurdles that stop them from adding more races PERHAPS we will see them someday. We know that it takes a full expansion to make them if they decide to start on them at the beginning of an expansion ... doesn't sound like they have any ways around these hurdles right now so I don't think 6.0 is in the cards and never got why people say so.

Plus there's the fact that they are considered a race (Male-Female models) and the last new race we got was followed by an expansion without a new race. It's hard work adding a new race, sucks up a ton of time and resources from other things. I'm sure they have many plans for ShB that don't factor in the additional strain and cost of adding yet another new race in the dev cycle all over again and would prefer the people who would work on that be freed up to work on other things.
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"But the longer they wait the harder it becomes!" It's not just a 1-and-done, it makes everything harder moving forward regardless of when they add them and if they can't find a way around that it's not happening.
So yeah, I don't think it's happening. If it does I think 7.0 is the earliest you can expect it.

Exactly. 100% agree.

[Nestama]

Well I doubt they are going to wait 4 years to do something that shouldn't take them more than 1.5 years to do, and thats without consider they will be using reused assets. The only reason why we don't have them tight now is because they don't know if they'll be able to keep up the patch cycle, but I think the devs will figure something out(if they haven't already) before 6.0

4th healer says hello. Also, they've stated that making a new race(s) is expensive. Whether it takes them 1.5 years or not is irrelevant if they don't have the resources to make them. If SE doesn't give them the amount of money needed to make them, then it's very unrealistic to expect the opposite genders to be playable in 6.0 (or even 7.0, depending). You can expect NPC's of them, though, since the dev team (reminder, they're humans, not robots) won't have to check if the thousands of pieces of gear will work/fit them.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

I mean, there is likely to be a community freak out even if people set their expectations low. I'm not sure there is a whole lot that can be done about that.

While this is true, Yoshi P has at least covered his bases with the statement he made. I'll quote it again: "I want to be clear that this does not mean it will eventually happen, and that I cannot make any promises at this time. I hope you will understand and bear with us." The point is that people need to be aware that there's no guarantee. Zeylos acts like getting them is a given, when in fact it isn't. I don't like the spreading of misinformation, which is why I'm here. I'm hoping that they will happen, but there is no guarantee.

[Gwenorai]

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Honestly, reading this... It doesn't sound like it's in Yoshida's hands but his higher-ups. As someone stated if it was a straight up no - he would have said no along with the child models. Something is in the way, and that something is time and resources.

The 'bear with us' is just that; please wait until we get confirmation that we can have the resources allotment to do this. As we all know it's not lore that's holding them back.

Yoshida knew this was going to happen, that was also clear from his letter - he took the bullet. But as a veteran game developer, he also knows that when a Dev is forced to push something out in such a time frame with parts being incomplete due to the publisher - higher ups - screaming that it be pushed out at this specific time. That the community is going to cry so much that he can turn around and go 'I told you so, I knew this would happen. Can you please give me the resources I need.'

The question is, will they give him the funding and extra workforce so that this can be done as well as more projects in the future. Something like this can easily be spun around in their favour as well. Saying how difficult things are to create a race - how it's challenging to add more. And then for them to come around and produce it in good time much to the excitement of a good chunk of the community, earning them good old brownie points - just like the headpieces on the Viera and Hrothgar that was done without Yoshida knowing.

We already know that they've been thinking of the design of the male. They're 'slim, elegant and handsome.' It really wouldn't surprise me if some designs - beyond what we've seen have already been drawn up.

I'm not going to get my hopes up, but I won't be surprised if we see male Viera. I'd be more surprised that we won't see them, honestly.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

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I don't disagree with this, but I do have to wonder how long it will take to make this happen, if they decide to do it. What I have a hard time believing is that they'll have the resources to get it done in time for 6.0.

[wereotter]

You can expect NPC's of them, though, since the dev team (reminder, they're humans, not robots) won't have to check if the thousands of pieces of gear will work/fit them.

I gotta say, I think this would be a big mistake on their part. This thread alone is enough to show how upset people were about not being able to play as male viera. If they create an in game model of the male counterpart for viera or the female counterpart for hrothgar as an NPC, this would only exacerbate those who are already angry/disappointed at the current state of things. Regardless of intent, many would view it as a slap in the face that now they can see what they wanted, but still can't have it. I think they shouldn't put the NPC in the game unless it was accompanied with an announcement that being able to play as that sex was coming soon.