Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Anvaire]

Gee, a way to show them for lore purposes but not need to bother reworking 10k+ gear items to fit them plus forcing all future gear to have that much more time spent on it?

Yeah, that's just craaaaaazy.

I actually think this would be a step at least in the right direction and an easy fix for them to implement. That they haven't done this (which i guess we will find out in ShB) to me is more suspect. That said, it would possibly make the disappointment more palpable and would also rob them of any hype generation should they wish to add them later. I think the way Yoshi p has responded implies that it is likely we will get them at some point. The Dev team routinely go out of their way to provide what the fans want, i cant see this being any different. One solution would be maybe to have all gear under level 50 just display as the racial armour to start with. Which would cut the amount of work they need to do quite considerably.

But then i don't think its the issue of updating all that gear, that's part of it, but it seems its more the issue around keeping the patch cycles on a 3.5 month release schedule. Arguably, this is going to become more of a problem in 6.0 with further jobs. Could be that Yoshi P is simply waiting to see how ShB does before committing vast resources to their development. Which to me makes sense. If ShB cans then they wont have the resource, but if it does well (and fantasia sales on mogstation rocket) gives more justification to allocating that resource.

The problem with his answer is that it is limited in the scope of why they choose the current genders, it is not a response to why they won't add the missing ones. That, i think makes all the difference and gives me confidence we may see them someday.

Afterall, look at their response to the headgear - if that doesn't show their dedication, nothing will.

Then again, I could be completely wrong, its speculation either way.

[Vonleo]

I wonder if people would rather we did not get Viera at all? and they just went ahead with a male and female lion race like they planned in the first place cause I personally would have hated that.

[Theodric]

I wonder if people would rather we did not get Viera at all? and they just went ahead with a male and female lion race like they planned in the first place cause I personally would have hated that.

I'd have preferred to see the existing playable races given further customisation options. I've seen more demand for that over the years than I have for Hrothgar and Viera combined.

[Alleo]

There's a dismissive attitude that comes up in every MMO whenever theres an issue with the community "Oh this isn't a big deal, only a vocal few people are upset about it" some devoted WoW players are still shouting this at people upset with the game now.

And at least in my view the "its a minority" only counts when its about something they dont care about. As soon as some have their own negative opinions they would hate getting such sentences.

As you said, there might be some that really just unsub because of that one issue, but I would dare and say that most that are annoyed at the current game and its future do it because they have more than one issue and also do it because they care about the game. I mean I disliked Eureka, Blue mage and certain parts like cash shop, but I always still found enough to keep me constantly subbed. Now the genderlocked race is the tipping point (because I wanted to play a female beast race for a long time) where I will just sub enough to keep my houses and do content there. That is at least half the amount of money they will get less from me. I also wont purchase the better edition of the game which I did before that all the time, which also means lost money.

I am just one person but if enough do that, you dont need to unsub to make a dent in their profit and bad PR is never great for a company. Just look at Bethesda and other companies, there is a time where its enough.

The sad thing is, I see such huge potential for this game but I also get the feeling that it will always just stay medicore in a lot of places because of their budget and employee problem.

In the end:

SE please give us bunny bois and beastly females.

[zeylos]

I wonder if people would rather we did not get Viera at all? and they just went ahead with a male and female lion race like they planned in the first place cause I personally would have hated that.

I would have personally rather have had full hrotgar race with the possibility of Viera being added sometime in the future than having gender locked viera and lions with the chance of seeing the other genders added on the future, but maybe that's just me

[Nestama]

Naah lets add male Viera to the game and say they aren't playable! Bet players will be extremely happy and will not complain!!!

Well yeah. NPC's first and then playable later. That's why, on the off chance they actually do start working on them, that 7.0 would be the earliest time to expect a playable opposite gender. 6.0 or 6.5 for NPC's.

[zeylos]

Well yeah. NPC's first and then playable later. That's why, on the off chance they actually do start working on them, that 7.0 would be the earliest time to expect a playable opposite gender. 6.0 or 6.5 for NPC's.

Ehhh I don't agree with you at all. If they are to add them, it's much more likely to expect them at 6.0,considering it's much easier to make them then due to the gear. Also we might never see an npc and get he genders directly added, or perhaps we will see one in shadowbringers (maybe 5.4 a le fran o yugiri of a male Viera or female hrotgar) and Im quite positive we are most likely going to see them at 6.0,just like how we saw male miqote and female roegadyn on 2.0 even though many ppl weren't sure they'd be able to make them

[Krotoan]

Oh so you think they will just add them as NPC s and not allow us to play them? That would for sure make lots of sense from SE part

Considering the work to add an NPC is a thousanth of the work to add an entire playable race gender? Yeah.. I can see them doing that. What part of that doesn't make sense? If they hit limits, they hit limits. Sometimes we don't get what we want and making wild guesses or creating crazy expectations will not help.

[Arngrim_Greyashe]

Ehhh I don't agree with you at all. If they are to add them, it's much more likely to expect them at 6.0,considering it's much easier to make them then due to the gear. Also we might never see an npc and get he genders directly added, or perhaps we will see one in shadowbringers (maybe 5.4 a le fran o yugiri of a male Viera or female hrotgar) and Im quite positive we are most likely going to see them at 6.0,just like how we saw male miqote and female roegadyn on 2.0 even though many ppl weren't sure they'd be able to make them

I highly doubt we'll see them at 6.0. They already said not to expect anything at the moment and that no promises were made that they'd ever add them. If anything, 7.0 at the earliest is the most reasonable expectation.

[Lauront]

If they said there's no promises to ever add them, how is 7.0 any more reasonable? If they wait too long to add the race/gender they actually risk making it an impossibility, because there's no point adding features to a game which has surpassed its peak, after the point where these features remain/can be profitable, as we saw with FFXV and the cancelled DLCs relating to it. The same exact problem applies with respect to more general graphics upgrades, probably more so, since failure to reinvest there soon enough could hasten its eventual decline.

I believe all they're saying is they can't promise anything before seeing how 5.0 shapes up. If it flops, it may be difficult to justify reinvestment in the game in many areas, nevermind adding the missing gender. If it does well, then they can re-assess what they want to do with the missing genders, once they know how much SE is willing to spend on that, if anything.