Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Darren777]

Mhm, I find that it's best to simply report those who are trolling and being rude for the sake to mine for salt. It's not worth the effort as it were.

Thats the problem with a certain group, as soon as someone comes along and says something that they dont like its an instant ITS A TROLL label. Im not being rude, i was semi rude to that Lala because it was rude to me first and to be honest i was pretty reserved in my response.

[zeylos]

Also, a bit of humor:





Wow SE, so hyuckin original! /s lol

LOL the only thing is that ffxiv is a subscription mmo that we pay for and pwi is a free to play mmo with practically character design being the only focus xD

[Lauront]

Just a reminder that this is still up for those who've not done it.

[Alleo]

And to clearify, I'm only taking about the FFXIV team, here. Not EA, Bethesda, Ubisoft or any other developer

Why should we believe them but not other developers? Why would they get a free pass?

In the past we had more than enough interviews where they said stuff like "no housing timer ever because its outdated" yet a short time later we get them. Or that people should take breaks but only of course if you dont own a house. They are passionate about their project but they are also still part of a huge company and Yoshida is also now part of the board of directors (thus quite high up).

And no I dont say that they lie about anything but I also dont trust them enough anymore after quite a few bits of pure PR talk. Lets not forget that they did only reveal the genderlocks at the last fanfest when preorders were already done. Why not simply tell us the truth when they showed us the female Vieras? Why wait so long and even give no direct answers when people asked them about it in interviews?

Devs are humans too, thus make mistakes. So no I wont believe everything they say, especially since they are not a indie company with barely any budget.

[zeylos]

Why should we believe them but not other developers? Why would they get a free pass?

In the past we had more than enough interviews where they said stuff like "no housing timer ever because its outdated" yet a short time later we get them. Or that people should take breaks but only of course if you dont own a house. They are passionate about their project but they are also still part of a huge company and Yoshida is also now part of the board of directors (thus quite high up).

And no I dont say that they lie about anything but I also dont trust them enough anymore after quite a few bits of pure PR talk. Lets not forget that they did only reveal the genderlocks at the last fanfest when preorders were already done. Why not simply tell us the truth when they showed us the female Vieras? Why wait so long and even give no direct answers when people asked them about it in interviews?

Devs are humans too, thus make mistakes. So no I wont believe everything they say, especially since they are not a indie company with barely any budget.

I think SE Is being quite shady right now. Guess we will have to wait for em to give us a response

[Zeonx]

I sit back and read some of this stuff and some people actually believe that this is real stuff like the characters are them.
This is when you need to ask yourselves maybe I am taking this a bit to far.

Do you believe the swords your characters hold can actually cut you? legit question.
Far as I am concerned I am playing a Ra Au fighting the forces of evil in a story created by Square Enix, because I can tell the difference from real and fantasy.

Some people getting upset over pixels why? just curious why

so what if SE decided hey I am going to put male V out but instead made it hairy as hell, the faces look very disgruntle where if you try to customized it to not your liking it wouldn't be good enough for you! so you come back here and again put down the company for trying to make you happy.

I mean people think that male Viera would look exactly like its counter part what if SE was like no they are heavy set, they have actual rabbit nose hairy cheeks what then? all this asking and then you probably won't play it, its not what you asked for but see it is and that's where it all boils down to.

I am not going to attack instead I respect their opinion on not including the race, even the not being able to play as a young character its not a big deal but its not cause of reasons I read by people cause those comments were wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy left field its that times have changed people take things out of context way to serious about stuff this day and age upset to easy plus SE has a point mods would be a huge reason why I would even say no to that.

[Lauront]

I sit back and read some of this stuff and some people actually believe that this is real stuff like the characters are them.
This is when you need to ask yourselves maybe I am taking this a bit to far.

Do you believe the swords your characters hold can actually cut you? legit question.
Far as I am concerned I am playing a Ra Au fighting the forces of evil in a story created by Square Enix, because I can tell the difference from real and fantasy.

Some people getting upset over pixels why? just curious why

so what if SE decided hey I am going to put male V out but instead made it hairy as hell, the faces look very disgruntle where if you try to customized it to not your liking it wouldn't be good enough for you! so you come back here and again put down the company for trying to make you happy.

I mean people think that male Viera would look exactly like its counter part what if SE was like no they are heavy set, they have actual rabbit nose hairy cheeks what then? all this asking and then you probably won't play it, its not what you asked for but see it is and that's where it all boils down to.

I am not going to attack instead I respect their opinion on not including the race, even the not being able to play as a young character its not a big deal but its not cause of reasons I read by people cause those comments were wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy left field its that times have changed people take things out of context way to serious about stuff this day and age upset to easy plus SE has a point mods would be a huge reason why I would even say no to that.

I'll make this really simple for you - we just want male Viera to be playable and for many of us, preferably along the lines of the concept art. Some people have further motives and I agree some of those were suspect or irrelevant, like the identity politics stuff. SE has now confirmed it is resource limitations which led to the issue, AFTER they decided to add two races in one go, for reasons they outlined, which are not above criticism. There are reasons to think the resource justification they offered is tenuous and not fully above board, but nonetheless they're not immovable on the issue, so we're continuing to request their addition.

Anything surplus to this is besides the point and going down proverbial rabbit holes that are of little relevance to the main point, i.e. we want to see male Viera.

As an aside, as a consumer I am getting little out of either race, because I intend to play neither. Not a slight on SE, but it does marginally reduce the value of their product to me.

This has little to do over anyone getting upset over pixels, although I can guarantee if they stripped away all the graphics in the game, for instance, and turned it into a spreadsheet, people would be pretty aggrieved over pixels. So it's not a great argument, since the visual element of the game plays a big part. And yes, if SE opted for a really bad design that went contrary to all their statements on how they think Viera men would look, as well as earlier concept art, it would warrant a wtf.

The people you describe are a minority amongst those of us requesting mViera, so let's not get lost in that.

[SoloWingMetatron]

Personally i'm getting sick of seeing this argument that the only people who want Male Viera added are gay and to erp in a corner. It is completely nonsensical and is an attempt to relegate the argument to something perceived as distasteful.

I'm disgusted that people are seriously using this as an argument....not only is it incredibly ignorant and disrespectful but it's also homophobic! (Some responses more blatant than others)

I've seen the term "mincing" being used...this is a derogatory word used to put down the gay community....it is not okay and I would advise any similar derogatory remarks be reported....I know trolls and childish users should not be engaged, they tend to get bored when no one takes the bait....however when actual homophobic rhetoric is being posted it needs to be reported....regardless of whether it's trolling or not.

[Vahlnir]

Personally i'm getting sick of seeing this argument that the only people who want Male Viera added are gay and to erp in a corner. It is completely nonsensical and is an attempt to relegate the argument to something perceived as distasteful.

I know someone who was going to switch right away if male Viera were made available and that was because they simply like them. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. I would just ignore the person you're responding to. They're clearly trolling. As to the topic though I've stated at least once or twice in this thread alone that I'm all for them. More options are always better even if they aren't my cup of tea. No ulterior motives here whatsoever. Most people are probably the same way regardless of certain preferences.

[Darren777]

I'm disgusted that people are seriously using this as an argument....not only is it incredibly ignorant and disrespectful but it's also homophobic! (Some responses more blatant than others)

I've seen the term "mincing" being used...this is a derogatory word used to put down the gay community....it is not okay and I would advise any similar derogatory remarks be reported....I know trolls and childish users should not be engaged, they tend to get bored when no one takes the bait....however when actual homophobic rhetoric is being posted it needs to be reported....regardless of whether it's trolling or not.

Relax...it's just a word. A word only has power if you give it power. Chill out, book a holiday to Chechnya, i hear its lovely this time of year.