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    Quote Originally Posted by Ilean View Post
    Errr all tanaka can ever create is mobs with overpowered AoE and crap drop rates. Let's leave him out of this game as much as possible.
    Now that is not really fare, I loved what he did with FFXI (mostly) and after he left to do FFXIV, Abyssea was created and ruined it for me. At the same time, I did not like where he was going with FFXIV, it seemed like he was trying to do to many things at once, and in the long run half of it did not work out. Yoshi doing 90% of the game, and Tanaka thinking about events and dungeons, that would yield some interesting results.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mireille View Post
    I'm not suggesting that at all. I'm suggesting that having Tanaka-san develop content like HNM, Dungeons, etc... would result in some great content for the game. I don't think it would be backtracking for SE either. He is already VP in charge of software development, so its not exactly a leap for him to directly involve himself in the project.
    I understood. What i meant is that it would actually turn out to be an inconvenience to dev team and a bit of discredit to SE having him back to FFXIV after he already left, not because he's better or worse than Yoshida, but because it would hurt Yoshida's credibility.

    Imagine a basketball team...you had a team and they lost the 2 first games...the fans started bashing the team and the owner replaced the coach and some players...a while after, even with the new team they aren't winning as it was expected. In this situation, bringing the former coach back, even if co-ed with the new one, would actually cause more issues than solutions because, even with an hierarchy, interest conflicts should arise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa View Post
    Now that is not really fare, I loved what he did with FFXI (mostly) and after he left to do FFXIV, Abyssea was created and ruined it for me. At the same time, I did not like where he was going with FFXIV, it seemed like he was trying to do to many things at once, and in the long run half of it did not work out. Yoshi doing 90% of the game, and Tanaka thinking about events and dungeons, that would yield some interesting results.
    I also think Tanaka did an awesome work in FFXI and the issue at FFXIV was actually just time. The former dev team had no time to actually finish the game...this was the real issue of original FFXIV...the game never was finished because Yoshida took over before the "retail patch" that was meant to complete FFXIV for release was live...

    I don't like the idea of them co-ing tho...if Yoshida actually kept the original FFXIV going and just improved it, it would be perfectly plausible, but by the time he decided to replace the game with another one i don't think it would be good to neither SE, dev team nor the gaame itself they working together in it. Just look at Abyssea...it's what happens when a director actually does not fully understand the concepts or share the view of the former director.

    That's why i'd rather have Tanaka and Yoshida following their own paths in different games, even if Tanaka one is spin-off (would have to so he can keep eorzean lore...would also be good to create a seal similar to Ivalice Alliance one, allowing lore to be fully shared between games), because i'm sure Tanaka's FFXIV would be great.

    And, for those who don't like the "Tanaka way" of dealing with stuff, there would aways be the Yoshida's 2.0 for them. Having they both running different games would actually add options to players, being healthier to SE, FF brand and to the players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lienn View Post
    That's why i'd rather have Tanaka and Yoshida following their own paths in different games, even if Tanaka one is spin-off (would have to so he can keep eorzean lore...would also be good to create a seal similar to Ivalice Alliance one, allowing lore to be fully shared between games), because i'm sure Tanaka's FFXIV would be great.
    i'd love to see tanaka get a spin off where he finished his original vision of the game. i'd be there in an instant to get my copy of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1 View Post
    i'd love to see tanaka get a spin off where he finished his original vision of the game. i'd be there in an instant to get my copy of it.
    So would i ^^ I would buy Tanaka's FFXIV again without thinking twice, just like i did the first time. ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lienn View Post
    not because he's better or worse than Yoshida, but because it would hurt Yoshida's credibility.
    Agreed Yoshi-P doesn't deserve any sort of discredit for the fine job he has done so far.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lienn View Post
    the game never was finished because Yoshida took over before the "retail patch" that was meant to complete FFXIV for release was live...
    What retail patch was that? When the game went live I never saw any official mention of a patch that was supposed to finish the game. All I was able to find were references to some game changes planned for winter right after the launch. I had heard a rumor that there were a lot of quests that were supposed to be released with the production launch, but the rumor didn't pan out. I have no idea if that rumor was based on statements from anyone at SE.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lienn View Post
    Just look at Abyssea...it's what happens when a director actually does not fully understand the concepts or share the view of the former director.
    Personally I didn't like abyssea, but I have to admit it did have a lot of good ideas. It also opened up the game for a great many people who played but felt shut out of gear drops from endgame events that took far too much of a time commitment.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ilean View Post
    Errr all tanaka can ever create is mobs with overpowered AoE and crap drop rates. Let's leave him out of this game as much as possible.
    FF XI was a great game and was very addictive, so I don't think its fair to say that of Tanaka. The only thing I can think that was wrong with XI when I started was the rmt, and they were as much a problem as they were because the game was so good they got a lot of business from it.
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    This thread is like Americans blaming Obama for the pathetic state of their country. They don't know any better but somebody must be found to take the blame nonetheless.

    At least it is a real person and not The Devil or something. Still as accurate though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    This thread is like Americans blaming Obama for the pathetic state of their country. They don't know any better but somebody must be found to take the blame nonetheless.

    At least it is a real person and not The Devil or something. Still as accurate though.
    It's well known that Tanaka pretty much "Fell on his sword" for SE. Not only did disgruntled players need a target for their hate that was not Square Enix as a whole, so did investors and whatnot.

    By laying the blame on a replaceable part of the process (A single man) It's far easier to assure consumers and stockholders that you have everything under control. While Tanaka may have had final say on many things we would scoff at today, he also probably still has many systems in place now and in the future players will enjoy without knowing it was at the end of the day his doing.

    Yoshida as a shining new star gives everyone something to look forward to watching grow. We have seen Yoshida taking his first baby-steps in his new roll and even now we are starting to see him grow comfortable in his position and being far less timid in his statements. To think Tanaka has been locked out of the FFXIV development offices is silly, but many people will continue to think he was locked in a small cell for his misdeeds to all MMO-kind.

    It will continue until SE needs someone to swoop in and either save a project or come out of left field with something "Edgy". That's probably SE's line of thinking on this issue.
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    Tanaka still has a role in XIV's development. He is in the credits with a position in handling Business relations or something like that.

    Producer's job is to handle budget and maintain schedule. Unless his position significantly differs from that of most people under the title of Producer in Japanese game development, he has had no part in the actual game design of neither XI or XIV.
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    Perhaps if the moogle pre requisites were expressed in a more positive way they would be acceptable. Such as, defeating each NM adds a percentage increase to drop rate to weapons or guarantees for each player 1 nut per NM killed in the pre requisite.

    This is similar to surplus xp that was expressed in a negative fashion, and accumulated surplus xp should have given a bonus (but the bonus was never decided or implemented, and the whole system was removed in the end).

    I am sure the dev's are stumped at the moment. The pre-requisites are no different than say Sky, Sea, ZNMs from 11 for example (farming something before an actual boss fight). If we start removing the pre-requisites we will never have content like that which people ask for. Another way which could have been more acceptable was have the moogle battlefield a larger instance in itself with all the NMs inside the BC, you can fight them or ignore them and go straight for the moogles in a clearing or something - people would then be applauding SE for complex BCs I'm sure. Lose lose situation x.x
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    Quote Originally Posted by Betelgeuzah View Post
    This thread is like Americans blaming Obama for the pathetic state of their country. They don't know any better but somebody must be found to take the blame nonetheless.

    At least it is a real person and not The Devil or something. Still as accurate though.
    I'm very real.
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    All I see is hurr.

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