Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

[Klonoa7]

The guy who made FF12 supports the idea of male Viera, and male Viera, while not seen, do exist. They are more territorial over land and food sources, so they live separately. I'd imagine males in that cannon who couldn't get a territory of their own would probably leave and adventure to find their own territory, which sounds similar to Sun Seeker males leaving to adventure to get stronger so they can be a nunhe one day. I personally wouldn't play a male Viera, but it would have been cool to see FF14s take on it.
What is worrying me is that all Viera seen so far in FF14, excluding Fran, have the exact same ear tuffs. I want diversity in ears, dammit! There's diversity in Miqo'te tails, please let Viera have some ear diversity.

What really make no sense is no female Hrothgar, they are based on Ronso that had females everywhere, seems like a cop-out.

This much I can agree with. I believe the main reason Hrothgar were gender locked was to be even with Viera. Viera needed to be gender locked for lore purposes while Hrothgar only got gender locked due to Viera being gender locked (possibly due to belief that players would riot if one new race was gender locked and the other wasn't yet they riot anyways, expecting Enix to destroy long established lore to satisfy their desires)

[RicaRuin]

This much I can agree with. I believe the main reason Hrothgar were gender locked was to be even with Viera. Viera needed to be gender locked for lore purposes while Hrothgar only got gender locked due to Viera being gender locked (possibly due to belief that players would riot if one new race was gender locked and the other wasn't yet they riot anyways, expecting Enix to destroy long established lore to satisfy their desires)

Stop with that... They weren't limited to one gender because of Lore reasons, but because of the workload and development cost.

[Duskane]

Did I send death threats to Yoshida? No,I did not.

I dont think anyone did.

[Alucard135]

I dont think anyone did.

Someone did. But not related to FFXIV.

https://kotaku.com/man-arrested-afte...taf-1833768253

[reivaxe]

It's doubly amusing to me that both you and Klonoa are sporting race/gender combos that weren't a thing in 1.0, yet you seem to take issue with people wanting Viera to also share in the luxury that is both male and female options.

Hmmm? You seem to think I'm in the same camp as you because I play Femroe ...

Am I a Roebro or Galka fan who asked for females because of my head canon on how they would look? No, I think Roebros and galka look super lame. I also think Femroe should look like Christina Hendricks as that would be the logical appealing counterpart to the bros imo (always found it strange no one points out the sexual dimorphism in this race. They simply don't look like they fit together to me. Either make the femroe wider and curvy to go with the wide and manly bros or make the bros more narrow ... but this is beside the point)

I play Femroe cause they are tall females and I think they're pretty. If they were never added I'd play elezen or cat girl and happily play the game. When shb releases I'm jumping into the Viera/ HROTHGAR pool with both feet.

If I got into this game when roe were monogender it wouldn't have bothered me if they stayed that way. Hell, HROTHGAR males look so cool that they're gonna convert me to playing males for once. I'd def play a female HROTHGAR in a heartbeat unless they jacked up the design and ... it doesn't bother me that they aren't a thing.

It's a design decision by the devs and I respect it as I know it's a ton of strain on them to add new player models. This is their game after all and mono genders don't bother me.

[SannaR]

Did I beg for it to happen though? No I did not. Did I send death threats to Yoshida? No, I did not. Those getting upset about Viera are doing both those things. There is also the fact that Viera have been female only since the GBA age, a lot longer than a single game that got messed up so badly that it was retconned all the way back to it's beginning.

Please stop implying that male Viera don't exist. They're talked about in the games they originate from along with in XIV just they're never seen by people that aren't Viera.

[UsagiAndCrepes]

My head canon for the male counterparts is more like this to be honest.

[Klonoa7]

Please stop implying that male Viera don't exist. They're talked about in the games they originate from along with in XIV just they're never seen by people that aren't Viera.

They originated in Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced and back there there were no male Viera, they were a race who were only ever female, similar to Gerudo and Asari. FFXII went and messed that up along with it's combat system that was all kinds of broken but that last part is an entirely different conversation. Even in FFXII, Male Viera never make any appearances, they spend their entire lives as hermits and raising male children (presumably against the children's wills)

If you are so desperate for male Viera then that has to change, not by retcon, but by in game action that forces a colossal change in Viera society. Instead of erasing their past, curve their future. Any less would be unacceptable if we're going to be stuck with playable male Viera

[WhiteArchmage]

...Man, have you read any other post, like the actual Male Viera thread? lol All the points you're saying have already been debated and debunked repeatedly. In short:

FFTA introduced the Viera, but it's a Dream Ivalice that doesn't impact on the other Ivalice canon from XII (TA2 introduced the Gria and we're supposed to pretend they've always existed, although there's the hand-wave that they may only exist in Jylland). XII handwaves it by saying they're so isolationist that they live in separate villages, and we only go into the Eruyt part of Golmore, evidenced by the Lente's Tear given to us by Jote (elder of Eruyt Village) giving us access to the Jungle... to lead us OUT of it. Just because they haven't been shown yet doesn't mean they can't be shown now, especially when Hroths are based on Ronso and those actually had both sexes visible and available, so that argument falls flat (especially since Female Viera displaced Female Hrothgar instead of Male Hroth to Male Viera).

And for your second point, the PC is always an outlier, the exception to all rules, so a playable male Viera would still be just as rare canonically as Male Keepers of the Moon, of which that are at most 3 (4?) in the whole game (as NPCs, because, again, PCs are the exception to lore. See: WHM, SCH, AST, SMN, RDM). Having playable males would do absolutely nothing for the lore of the game, there wouldn't be an influx of lore-retconning NPCs.

Swear to gods I'll end up copy-pasting this.

[SannaR]

They originated in Final Fantasy Tactics Advanced and back there there were no male Viera, they were a race who were only ever female, similar to Gerudo and Asari. FFXII went and messed that up along with it's combat system that was all kinds of broken but that last part is an entirely different conversation. Even in FFXII, Male Viera never make any appearances, they spend their entire lives as hermits and raising male children (presumably against the children's wills)

If you are so desperate for male Viera then that has to change, not by retcon, but by in game action that forces a colossal change in Viera society. Instead of erasing their past, curve their future. Any less would be unacceptable if we're going to be stuck with playable male Viera

Did they say that in the games that they were like the Anata? Or the Galka? Because all and any information even when just looking at their tactics info say that they weren't a mono-gendered species. Also the Gerudo are more like the Hrothgar in that one gender is a rare occurence verses the one you see normally. Also the Asari meanwhile yes are a mono-gendered race, but that's due to the whatever reason an Asari baby will always be an Asari and not some hybred. Probably due to the fact it's easier to make an Alien chick pink or green instead of looking part Krogen or dear god Vorcha. So they chose hey they can have traits like that of the non Asari parent if they had one in maybe having a bad temperment or having a more masculine tpye voice route.