New Player Experience Sucks! - Impending Expansion Problems

[Wynn_Storm]

OP is actually a WoW refugee and is also the supposed friend they're speaking of. They really should change their first post given they admitted this themselves and it makes their point quite misleading. That isn't to say their opinion isn't valid, but it's a bit disingenuous to try to appear to be concerned over a friend's gaming experience when it's actually just about yourself.

There is a few things i find wrong with your post. You make it sound like being a previous WoW player is a bad thing. The title of wow refugee just sounds bad, and especially in the context you used it. Also sure they lied about it being for a friend, but i don't think that really makes it disingenuous, the problem is still the same whether it be for the OP or if it really was for the friend. Don't you think that the reason the OP lied is so they wouldn't get ridiculed? That just shows the fear of players being afraid to speak their minds, because they know its an unpopular opinion and they will get trashed for it.

Regardless, the MSQ is a problem, even though a lot of people on here don't think it is. But the forums is a tiny minority of the playerbase, so i wouldn't take it too seriously honestly.

People are not thinking about the game in the long run of things. In two expansions from now, we are still going to be making new players go through 10 year old super dated content that obviously shows its age?

And when i sit in novice network and i see sprouts complain about MSQ or people that ask when can they play DRK or AST, i have to tell them in 500 quests or so.

The fact that people can unironically argue that its a good thing is just beyond me.

I'm personally done with this topic, as people are just going back and forth and its been going on for almost 4 days.

Tl;Dr trim all the BS quests from ARR.

[Penthea]

There is a few things i find wrong with your post. You make it sound like being a previous WoW player is a bad thing.

I'm a previous WoW player. I played it for over ten years.

The title of wow refugee just sounds bad, and especially in the context you used it.

They used the term themselves. I personally don't think it necessarily means a bad thing. I tend to think it means WoW players who quit during BFA. I quit at the end of WoD, before the term was commonly used.

Also sure they lied about it being for a friend, but i don't think that really makes it disingenuous, the problem is still the same whether it be for the OP or if it really was for the friend. Don't you think that the reason the OP lied is so they wouldn't get ridiculed? That just shows the fear of players being afraid to speak their minds, because they know its an unpopular opinion and they will get trashed for it.

It's disingenuous because they're claiming someone else cannot catch up to them, the implication of which is OP has already gotten to a late stage of the game themselves and is sitting there just waiting for their friend, and are speaking with the supposed knowledge that they probably cannot catch up. Well this isn't the case given OP was on about themselves thinking they would be unable to catch up before expansion launch.

I'm not sure how they would avoid getting thrashed for an unpopular opinion if they appear to agree with a friend who supposedly has said opinion.

Regardless, the MSQ is a problem, even though a lot of people on here don't think it is. But the forums is a tiny minority of the playerbase, so i wouldn't take it too seriously honestly.

I love the msq but it certainly has issues. The largest being the lvl 50 patch content. A lot of the quests require an excessive amount of travelling and teleporting, which could easily be fixed by having cutscenes bring you to the next zone (some in the game already do). Vesper Bay is awkward to get to. I know for lore reasons it does not have an aetheryte, and for this reason I disagree with it getting one, but that doesn't stop more ports having boats that go there. Maybe even give it an airship dock so it can be travelled to instantly from every city.

People are not thinking about the game in the long run of things. In two expansions from now, we are still going to be making new players go through 10 year old super dated content that obviously shows its age?

I imagine at some point SE would release a digested version of the story that new players can view, and they will begin the story at a later point if they choose to. But I doubt we will see something like this for at least another two expansions. 70 lvls isn't really that much. I know plenty of new players who did it in less than a month. Some in just two weeks. ShB is two months away. OP has loads of time.

And when i sit in novice network and i see sprouts complain about MSQ or people that ask when can they play DRK or AST, i have to tell them in 500 quests or so.

And by saying 500 quests you make it worse than it seems. Some of these quests take two seconds to do. Why not just tell them "they're unlocked when you reach the next expansion"?

And sorry but just because a player wants something doesn't mean they should be able to get it now. It's very common for mmorpgs to have classes that are unlocked later in the game. Why is it a bad thing in this game?

The fact that people can unironically argue that its a good thing is just beyond me.

I'm not saying the above is a good thing but how are you supposed to even unlock those classes if you can't even enter Ishgard?