If would be a nice, since Viera and Hrothgar are gender locked...

[Kohl]

They can't even wear head gear at ShB's launch so I'd say the chance of that is in the negative percentile range.

Oh yeah, I have no delusions that it will happen. Still excited for the new races.

[Lewtskie]

... if they could ignore the gender requirements on gear. I will be using a Fantasia to go Viera, it would be nice if I could equip or glamour male only gear. Likewise, it would be fantastic to see a Hrothgar in the Antecedent's Attire...

That's all. Just wishful thinking about something that isn't going to happen...

See, I've always had one particular piece of male attire I've always wanted for my girls, and it's the High House Justaucorps. And I had not thought about it for a long time, but now you have me imagining a Viera wearing it, and I want to die. lol

[Kohl]

See, I've always had one particular piece of male attire I've always wanted for my girls, and it's the High House Justaucorps. And I had not thought about it for a long time, but now you have me imagining a Viera wearing it, and I want to die. lol

Similar situation for me, I really would like to equip parts of the Scion Rogue gear. Haha

[Daralii]

Im assuming that, realistically, the system is set up as is:

HrothGar and Viera will be placed under a category that theyll call "X"

Under that category, it will still have male and female variations, however they will just call the Male Variations Hrothgar, and Female Variations Viera. Under this, the game would assume that its just one 'race' with male and female variations with a different naming convention. For Glamours, this means you wont get female Vieras wearing male clothes, or vice versa because the engine sees that you have a male/female variation of a race already in place and wont allow you to wear clothes outside the gender.

Though its worth noting, IF they launch ShB with Hrothgar as it's own category, and Viera as its own, that might be a strong indicator we will get the other sexes down the line and they set up the character creation engine to reflect this now so they wouldnt need to change it later. Im not holding my breath for this, but itd be a pretty good sign if we did see it.

We actually know from datamining that they're set up exactly like the other races, with entries for males and females of both. They were briefly present around 4.5's release, but were removed when people found out that the French localization team screwed up and references to the player character's race just listed all the ones in the files, Viera and Hrothgar included.

[Melichoir]

I very much much doubt they'll make it one race internally. the time and work issue isnt in programming the race selection itself but in the gear that needs to be adjusted and tested. They would stick themselves in a corner that they cant program themself out of ever

From a programming standpoint, the engine is 'blind'. Coding wise, 'Hrothgar' is just a name. The model is just an item the engine will display. this is what I meant. The game wont see the Category that holds Hrothgar and Viera as any different than any other Race. It just understands that this is a particular grouping with one group for the Female Category being called Viera, and the other group for male being called Hrothgar. Each grouping having set attributes that align with all the other groups.

It's from here that causes the most problem from a coding point. Yeah, actually getting the glamours to fit the models correctly is also work. No doubt, but the coding side is the more pain in the ass part because of how the game is set up. Trying to make an exception when theyre likely to be under one category is likely to break a lot of things in the process.

The male and female categorization is pretty obviously set, gear will be locked for them accordingly as it is for everything else. There is already president. My post was half wishful thinking and half being amused by the idea.

I honestly felt they took a gamble trying to make as many people happy as possible, and I think they did a really good job. Players have been asking for Viera and a more bestial race for a long time. It makes me sad that some people aren't happy with it. But maybe I am biased because it doesn't effect how I was going to play? This game is always developing, so I am excited to see where to goes from here.

I broadly agree with your point about their choice. It was a gamble, and IMO a misread of what the base was actually asking for. They pretty much picked the worst of all options. It wouldve been better to either just go ham and go Viera all the way (and possiblye make one clan of viera more feral looking to scratch that beastial itch) or just say screw it to viera and do hrothgar male and female. Trying to do both ended up disappointed the most amount of people in the end. Really wasnt as well planned out as they thought.

[SenorPatty]

Been wishing for that since I began playing back in HW ans I still hope for it. I'm not holding my breath for it but maybe one day...

[Sated]

Really, really wish they'd stop designing different looks for the same piece of gear, and restricting some of it to one gender.
The most frustrating thing for me.

[MorbolvampireQueen6]

id settle for just the fairy dress in mog station and spring dress to be allowed on males i want 2 be ronso but the only glam id ever use on it is the bunny top and bottom ,shoes

[Nonuel]

Yeah, free the lady nips as well. EQUALITY!

[Crushnight]

My guess is they probably won't do it due to people would just complain why can't their race/gender combo wear X and SE would just want to avoid that altogether especially after the male bunny suit.

It truly sucks but SE gave themselves more work when they made the decision they did and unfortunately they won't be fully finished on release due to most headgear being locked so having gear no other Xrace/Ygender could use is unfeasible