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    Hi Deli,

    Thanks again for the info and tests.

    But based on your latest results, doesn't it seem like INT is just more valuable overall? It seems to give you greater boots in damage on both Thunder and Thundara (vs. AMP).

    Or what was the percentage boost? Thanks.
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    i dont understand what you trying to say. in your first post you said that int has no effect on dmg but it clearly does.
    i did some small test myself same base weapon but one hase +31 int (materia) it boosted my dmg oon thunder and thundaga about 6-7%.
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    Deli Denkryst
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saiph View Post
    i dont understand what you trying to say. in your first post you said that int has no effect on dmg but it clearly does.
    i did some small test myself same base weapon but one hase +31 int (materia) it boosted my dmg oon thunder and thundaga about 6-7%.
    please read the later more controlled test... my first test was done only with +14 int and using 10 samples from different mobs. The test itself is a problem.



    Quote Originally Posted by Kiara View Post
    Hi Deli,

    Thanks again for the info and tests.

    But based on your latest results, doesn't it seem like INT is just more valuable overall? It seems to give you greater boots in damage on both Thunder and Thundara (vs. AMP).

    Or what was the percentage boost? Thanks.
    Int didn't boost thunder more than AMP in a long run. But that required players to put lots gils to materia.
    I think balanced 1:1 int: AMP still the good way. However, according to market value, int damage/gil ratio is better.

    Many people might still choose go crazy on m. acc. The only reason is if your first thunder got resisted the thunder combo won't continue. Then, your super high int won't worth it in that case because it won't get thundara chain bonus part (the reason you put high int).
    However, for myself, I will stop at m. acc around 450. with tomoto pie (+15) and rings, it's not hard to do.
    The m. acc test... it's really hard for me to do gather large amount of data to get meaningful comparison. I have around 430 m. acc in my gear set. in normal fighting need L54ish can start to see the resistance. In moogle fight, only kipp and shaggysong will show some resist (at least 50%).
    I don't know I should use my LS moogle battle event to do the test or no... it seems risking other people's chance to win.
    Maybe I'll just focus on the moogle pre-quest nm for my test...
    I only get one condition done so far... I still need more time to prepare the magic acc.
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  4. #14
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    I would like to note at least during my duoing experiences with thaumaturg.

    Elemental resistances of the mob you are fighting can be a huge factor in how much damage your dealing. Go use thunder on a toad, then go use thunder on a bird or something. The numbers will be night and day, so if your testing damage be sure your testing on something nuetral to the spell you are casting.
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  5. #15
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    yeah sry you are right. a good mix of both should do. as for m. acc. i would test it on stuff like ifrit and when you feel getting very rarely resisted you shouldnt get more m. acc. but rather go for dmg (int/m. att.).
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    your posting is all over the place, i would take all your best info and revise it in a new thread to make it more understandable.
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  7. #17
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    Quote Originally Posted by syntaxlies View Post
    your posting is all over the place, i would take all your best info and revise it in a new thread to make it more understandable.
    oh ya it will be great if you can organize into a better form.
    I'm very bad at organize data ^^:
    So feel free to copy and paste any of these
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deli View Post
    PS... The Magic Acc vs Int test, it's too dangerous for myself to gather large amount of data... I really need someone to tank for me. However, don't volunteer too. I generally don't accept helps from people XD I'll think of some way to get around it ^^ such as the Snurble has super big magic resistance... I hope I can find some, definitely not from leve, around L50ish


    I solo 50-54 mobs on my THM, man up.
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    you should be using a parser this google doc crap is terrible... you could spend 1/10th the time and collect 10x as much data.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tachikoma View Post
    you should be using a parser this google doc crap is terrible... you could spend 1/10th the time and collect 10x as much data.
    but I don't trust 3rd party software on my ff14 :O
    They might steal my cookies from my jar.


    or you know someone should show me how to organize these data
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