Summoners: Please give us actual summons to make us feel like a Summoner please.

[Tanama]

I support this. If it is possible for the devs to do so, I'd like Demi versions of the other primals and improved visuals on egis. I agree with most that the egis look like crap. Especially when you compare summoners of the other Final Fantasy titles.

[AlphaFox]

I suppose and this is really just wishing at this time. They could be completely reworking SMN for the expansion and severing the ties to SCH?

[OwlBlackX]

Never play XI.
But, wow....look so cooler than FFXIV summoner.

Plz SE!

But, only I hated bahamut for summoer. Reason his wings damn huge over windows. (I knew, I had settineg him smaller)
Still, I wanted ifirt, garudan, titan and other full body. No "chibi"

I don't like carbuncles.

[AdamChattaway]

I'd like is summoner has no spells just cool summon pets and all the skill on your Hotbar were pet attacks and commands.

[AdamChattaway]

So looking in game and at what they did in the past by giving some classes special mounts etc as a way to ENCOURAGE people to play them i wonder if the reason they make summoners look so bad is to deter people from playing them. I mean if summoners looked amazing and had all the iconic awesome summons i guess they think no one will ever play any other dps? J devs can be funny this way.

[Shougun]

So looking in game and at what they did in the past by giving some classes special mounts etc as a way to ENCOURAGE people to play them i wonder if the reason they make summoners look so bad is to deter people from playing them. I mean if summoners looked amazing and had all the iconic awesome summons i guess they think no one will ever play any other dps? J devs can be funny this way.

I mean technically if you wanted the real answer Yoshida said that they didn't want to cheapen the primals by having everyone have them out, and some part of it could have been taking up visual space/memory in the game.

I imagine part of that cheapen comment also came from the fact we used to have a plan for open world primal summoning, where a FC could bring out a full strength primal onto the playing field. So having a bunch of other variants would probably make that feel a little silly lol. Although I haven't heard about that in a long time (primal summoning), so I imagine it's shelved and dusty idea somewhere at the office now.

I think overall it was a mistake to go so down on the tree to prop up the "real" primals though and I'm glad they're going back a bit to the "summoner" that at least I know and love.

One of my key arguments way back when (years ago) was that the summoner has been a healer, a blackmage, and just a summoner, the summons have been one off spells and full on pets, and so summoner's only true consistency through all the FF games is they've always looked amazing (and usually did amazing things too, although they usually had pretty heavy fall off late game). So that was my core argument on why summoner should be getting they're neat eye catching stuff back because the only core part of summoner was calling crazy things down to do more crazy things lol. Which of course meant when I saw ahk morn and demi-bahamut I was quite pleased, and am hopeful they'll continue with enhancing (what I think) the only true core part of being a summoner (summoner is a visual statement about calling greater beings down to do something more than anything else, since everything else about the job is variable- its been a pet class, a healer class, nuker, and what have you).

[AdamChattaway]

I mean technically if you wanted the real answer Yoshida said that they didn't want to cheapen the primals by having everyone have them out, and some part of it could have been taking up visual space/memory in the game.

I imagine part of that cheapen comment also came from the fact we used to have a plan for open world primal summoning, where a FC could bring out a full strength primal onto the playing field. So having a bunch of other variants would probably make that feel a little silly lol. Although I haven't heard about that in a long time (primal summoning), so I imagine it's shelved and dusty idea somewhere at the office now.

I think overall it was a mistake to go so down on the tree to prop up the "real" primals though and I'm glad they're going back a bit to the "summoner" that at least I know and love.

One of my key arguments way back when (years ago) was that the summoner has been a healer, a blackmage, and just a summoner, the summons have been one off spells and full on pets, and so summoner's only true consistency through all the FF games is they've always looked amazing (and usually did amazing things too, although they usually had pretty heavy fall off late game). So that was my core argument on why summoner should be getting they're neat eye catching stuff back because the only core part of summoner was calling crazy things down to do more crazy things lol. Which of course meant when I saw ahk morn and demi-bahamut I was quite pleased, and am hopeful they'll continue with enhancing (what I think) the only true core part of being a summoner (summoner is a visual statement about calling greater beings down to do something more than anything else, since everything else about the job is variable- its been a pet class, a healer class, nuker, and what have you).

Once upon a time i played Aion... and i played a Spiritmaster in that game and they did an awesome job at making the pets and their upgrades. Here is a pic of how a pet would look and progress as you leveled up. If aion could do this i find it hard that such a big and wealthy company like SE couldn't have done much better... Because in FF it's the same pet start to finish, In the pic below we're basically a yellow version of 1 forever lol...

[Adventica6]

we've asked for this for years, you can keep asking but don't be surprised when nothing changes.

[Haxaan]

Once upon a time i played Aion... and i played a Spiritmaster in that game and they did an awesome job at making the pets and their upgrades. Here is a pic of how a pet would look and progress as you leveled up. If aion could do this i find it hard that such a big and wealthy company like SE couldn't have done much better... Because in FF it's the same pet start to finish, In the pic below we're basically a yellow version of 1 forever lol...

When Summoner first came out in XIV I honestly thought and hoped it would play like Spiritmaster, at least when it came to the summons. I knew it couldn't work like it did in XI but I felt Aion had the next best "Summoner" aesthetic. I was sadly mistaken when we got what we did. Don't get me wrong, I like how Summoner plays now, it is fun and different than BLM and RDM, but the actual Summoning aspect of it has been lost in translation a long time ago. It would have been nice if we started with Egi's and as we leveled we did side Quests to make them each grow in strength and size until they became Demi-Primals.

[Cled-cat]

I support this thread! Summoner’s presentation feels way off base to what it should be. More Demi Summons at the very least please SE!