Ready to quit over housing.

[Azurith]

People's ideas need to stop revolving around taking plots away from people who already own them

[RicaRuin]

People's ideas need to stop revolving around taking plots away from people who already own them

Almost like the real world, where it too is pondered to fight the housing shortage via expropriation... :thinking:

But I'm all against making the game too political. Imo, the only fix would be instanced housing to meet the demand.

[Gula]

There are houses elsewhere. Lots of them.

It depends on how grounded one is on their world. Mateus for example. I'm in a good FC, have friends, and don't want to transfer to a JP/EU data center that actually has enough plots available where the timer isn't unbearable.

Speaking of, there is also the timer itself. Just because 2-3 plots are open does not mean they're actually open when 7 players are camping a plot for 10 hours, one of which is bot clicking.

But, who knows. Maybe things would be different if a certain pair weren't hogging an entire ward. Maybe there would be 5 plots to pick from instead of 2 every several days. Especially when so many filtered out from the world.

People's ideas need to stop revolving around taking plots away from people who already own them

Other games with rent systems have no shortage of housing, because it ensures the player has to care to keep what they have. Yoshi-P does not want that, and I can respect it. But other games without rent free housing also have instanced housing. That we do not have.

[Penthea]

People's ideas need to stop revolving around taking plots away from people who already own them

I don't think people can be blamed for that when we have an extreme shortage resulting in a gigantic amount of the playerbase who want houses being unable to get one, while there are some players who own 10+ houses. In Mateus there are 2 people who own a ward. That's 2 people depriving at least 58 players of housing, and that's only assuming each house would be private without tenants. In reality this is probably more like 100+ because of tenancy and fcs.

Ideally no one should have their toys taken away from them, but we don't have an ideal housing system and SE don't seem to be interested in trying to make one either. So then some are hoping for the next best thing, which is more even distribution of housing.

We need instanced housing to keep everyone happy. The hoarders could continue to hoard without affecting anyone, while everyone else could get a house if they wanted to. It would be stress-free and completely fair.

[Harmonea]

Mateus for example. I'm in a good FC, have friends, and don't want to transfer to a JP/EU data center that actually has enough plots available where the timer isn't unbearable.

Gonna have to stop you right there. Don't pretend you need to switch DCs; there are hundreds of homes available right here on Crystal, many of which are off the timer and fully devalued. You and your FC could form a CWLS so you all get homes and no one loses touch with anyone else, and world visit means you don't even need to sacrifice FC events and the like. Could, but won't, because it's easier to point at what someone else has as THE reason you don't. Thousands of people pointing at one ward like if it weren't in this state, everything would be fine.

In Mateus there are 2 people who own a ward. That's 2 people depriving at least 58 players of housing, and that's only assuming each house would be private without tenants. In reality this is probably more like 100+ because of tenancy and fcs.

Do you know, in the 24h following 4.57, I saw at least 60+ plots open up in the Goblet alone? They're all gone now, of course, which goes to show you that freeing up a dozen more that were grandfathered isn't going to do a thing to address the root problem.

Let me tell you, if I knew for a fact only 12 more people wanted to buy land on Mateus... WOULD ever want to buy land on Mateus again... that I, personally, could take one action that would fix the system forever... I would, willingly, without SE's intervention. But it won't fix anything. No more than the deluge of open plots in the wake of 4.57 did. So I won't sacrifice my hard work to give a dozen people who hate me (and who will just bot the placards anyway) a band aid.

The SYSTEM is broken. People crowding onto a few servers and demanding their dream plot when there's lots of land elsewhere. But I don't want to move to THAT server. But I don't want to buy a house in THAT area. But I don't want THAT size.

When every NA server is sold out, I'm sure they'll add more wards or let us know what their other future plans are. Til then, all SE can see is that it must not really be that important to us.

We need instanced housing to keep everyone happy.

Agreed.

Edit: How did we even get on this subject anyway? OP's complaints were about how he thinks wards should be dynamic per-server so the monster servers have more wards than the mini servers... and how placard bots are terrible. Don't obsesses.

[Rpolk81]

Report botters and buy an apartment. Only advice I can give.

Those botters are the worst! I reported 3 this morning!

[Penthea]

Do you know, in the 24h following 4.57, I saw a least 60+ plots open up in the Goblet alone? They're all gone now, of course, which goes to show you that freeing up a dozen more that were grandfathered isn't going to do a thing to address the root problem.

No it does not but seeing as SE appear determined to keep the ward system and not have proper instanced housing, players are suggesting ways to improve the ward system. Removing grandfathering is one of many ways it can be improved.

If grandfathering is removed it should be coupled with allowing all characters on the same server access the same private home, so that previously grandfathered players won't suddenly find themselves with homeless characters. They should also be allowed to choose which home to keep.

Let me tell you, if I knew for a fact only 12 more people wanted to buy land on Mateus... WOULD ever want to buy land on Mateus again... that I, personally, could take one action that would fix the system forever... I would, willingly, without SE's intervention. But it won't fix anything. No more than the deluge of open plots in the wake of 4.57 did. So I won't sacrifice my hard work to give a dozen people who hate me (and who will just bot the placards anyway) a band aid.

Are you saying you won't give up extra houses to make someone else happy just because it doesn't fix the problem as a whole? While you're correct that it won't, however depending on the amount of houses you own, you could have quite the positive impact on your server if you gave up all the extras. Sure it wouldn't fix the heart of the issue, but it would fix the issue on a personal level to many players. I think that's worth something.

Also I doubt everyone on the server who wants a house hates you, so I'm sure you could find someone polite and very appreciative of you letting go of plots. Of course whether you do that or not is up to you.

The SYSTEM is broken. People crowding onto a few servers and demanding their dream plot when there's lots of land elsewhere. But I don't want to move to THAT server. But I don't want to buy a house in THAT area. But I don't want THAT size.

While there are people like that, there are others who just want any house at all. Though leaving your server could be an option, I feel like people shouldn't be expected to leave just so they can engage in some content. This can be an especially difficult decision for people who want to remain with their fc. It's really crappy that people have to choose between their fc and a house. Then there's also the fact that transfers cost money. Yes recently we have had free transfers but they won't be around forever. The gil cap on paid transfers is another thing that turns people off from moving.

When every NA server is sold out, I'm sure they'll add more wards or let us know what their other future plans are. Til then, all SE can see is that it must not really be that important to us.

SE did hint at Ishgard housing at a fanfest so I think it's more likely we'll see something to do with that, probably mid-ShB. I'm hoping they will be pleasantly surprising us with a private instanced house as a reward for helping the rebuilding of Ishgard. I doubt it will happen, but I can hope.

[Mavrias]

SE did hint at Ishgard housing at a fanfest so I think it's more likely we'll see something to do with that, probably mid-ShB. I'm hoping they will be pleasantly surprising us with a private instanced house as a reward for helping the rebuilding of Ishgard. I doubt it will happen, but I can hope.

can i have a source on this? because nothing i've found has said this at all. all i've seen is people talking about extremely vague translations.

[Penthea]

can i have a source on this? because nothing i've found has said this at all. all i've seen is people talking about extremely vague translations.

It might be hard for me to find a source given it was one line of dialogue in the fanfest and it wasn't written on any of the slides. It could take me hours to find that tiny snippet. But I can tell you I saw it for myself and it was Koji Fox who said it. It was during a series of lines that were like "players have been saying 'we love Ishgard, we want to be in Ishgard, we want to <insert dramatic pause> live in Ishgard'" /crowd goes wild.

And that was all that was said about it. I seriously doubt they would tease that if they weren't planning something.

[Metallus]

While there are people like that, there are others who just want any house at all. Though leaving your server could be an option, I feel like people shouldn't be expected to leave just so they can engage in some content. This can be an especially difficult decision for people who want to remain with their fc. It's really crappy that people have to choose between their fc and a house. Then there's also the fact that transfers cost money. Yes recently we have had free transfers but they won't be around forever. The gil cap on paid transfers is another thing that turns people off from moving.

I'm on cerberus and I would gladly transfer to Omega if it didn't come with all its limitations:
- Can't transfer more than 10M gil (I'd lose 50M on transfer)
- Have to withdraw every single item from currently hold housing instances (I don't have any space left. Retainers are almost full, I have 20 free slots in my bag and more than 350 furniture items, of which 150 items worth something like 40M) and there is no NPC temporarily holding on your stuff like when your house is demolished. For all these items I'd need to hire 3 retainers on top of the server transfer charge.
- I'd lose the FC I've worked to create and rank up in a poof

There is too much to lose, too much to pay and too much to work back. It is just heavily discouraged. The more you have obtained, the more you have to lose on transfer.