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    Mentors are human beings, just like the rest of us.
    They cannot be expected to know every boss mechanic, spawn/ trigger point, rotation or class nor do they need to carry a group that's just downright bad. They don't need to put up with rude behaviour.

    BUT
    Mentors are meant to stick out. If not, SE wouldn't have given them a symbol in front of their names which you can see miles away. Of course their behaviour is more memorable than that of the myriads of players without any symbol at all in front of their names. Just like sprouts tend to get more appreciation for good gameplay/ behaviour, mentors tend to get judged more harshly for poor gameplay/ behaviour and most of all: refusing to help.
    By flagging yourself as a mentor, you are flagging yourself as a player who ist most likely to be able to help others. Piss-easy requirements aside, the mentor system was meant as something that enables new players to quickly distinguish between normal and "probably helpful" players.
    Probably, because as I said: no mentor can be expected to know everything. Nor do you have to be insanely skilled.
    But if you are a mentor and someone needs help in a dungeon (tank not knowing the way, someone not knowing the basic mechanics, glaring mistakes playing a class that the mentor has equally high/ higher), it's usually the mentor who is supposed to help to the best of his abilities first. And if the mentor doesn't remember the mechanics/ way etc, reacting isn't too much to ask for. Even if it's just a "sorry, don't remember the mechanics. haven't been here in ages, but nothing stuck as dangerous".
    If you don't want to be helpful, your choice. Just turn off the crown.
    But if you wear it, a reasonable amount of help is genereally expected, escpecially if something is obviously going wrong. If there is someone else who knows more and jumps in (mentor or not), great. But don't stay silent and hope it passes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post
    Mentors are human beings, just like the rest of us.
    They cannot be expected to know every boss mechanic, spawn/ trigger point, rotation or class nor do they need to carry a group that's just downright bad. They don't need to put up with rude behaviour.

    BUT
    Mentors are meant to stick out. If not, SE wouldn't have given them a symbol in front of their names which you can see miles away. Of course their behaviour is more memorable than that of the myriads of players without any symbol at all in front of their names. Just like sprouts tend to get more appreciation for good gameplay/ behaviour, mentors tend to get judged more harshly for poor gameplay/ behaviour and most of all: refusing to help.
    By flagging yourself as a mentor, you are flagging yourself as a player who ist most likely to be able to help others. Piss-easy requirements aside, the mentor system was meant as something that enables new players to quickly distinguish between normal and "probably helpful" players.
    Probably, because as I said: no mentor can be expected to know everything. Nor do you have to be insanely skilled.
    But if you are a mentor and someone needs help in a dungeon (tank not knowing the way, someone not knowing the basic mechanics, glaring mistakes playing a class that the mentor has equally high/ higher), it's usually the mentor who is supposed to help to the best of his abilities first. And if the mentor doesn't remember the mechanics/ way etc, reacting isn't too much to ask for. Even if it's just a "sorry, don't remember the mechanics. haven't been here in ages, but nothing stuck as dangerous".
    If you don't want to be helpful, your choice. Just turn off the crown.
    But if you wear it, a reasonable amount of help is genereally expected, escpecially if something is obviously going wrong. If there is someone else who knows more and jumps in (mentor or not), great. But don't stay silent and hope it passes.
    Are you talking about a specific case or many cases or one hypothetical case?

    If you talking about a specific player log in and give your honest opinion to the player but be kind enough to explain in which situation the player wasn't a good mentor, if you generalize won't do anything for the rest of the community according to other players the majority doesn't even read the forums.

    To have the context of the situations in which mentors weren't good is also important is just not talk in hypothetical cases and only one versions cause that is for failed judges.

    My point is if you think a mentor is not doing his or hers job well tell him in a constructive way and move on.

    Can tell you about one case however that happened to have a French speaking mentor that wasn't good at English and did pass me the youtube guides for DK dps rotation some players are not English native and use youtube to provide either guides or examples to not risk give a wrong direction.
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    Last edited by AnnaRosa; 05-03-2019 at 07:37 PM.

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    Are you talking about a specific case or many cases or one hypothetical case?
    Many specific cases I have witnessed.

    If you talking about a specific player log in and give your honest opinion to the player but be kind enough to explain in which situation the player wasn't a good mentor, if you generalize won't do anything for the rest of the community according to other players the majority doesn't even read the forums.
    One doesn't exclude the other, you should know that. What I do or do not ingame doesn't have any influence on what I do or do not in a forum.
    And forums are there to discuss things, state opinions, get other people's point of view, exchange experiences. After all, you are posting here aswell, are you not?

    To have the context of the situations in which mentors weren't good is also important is just not talk in hypothetical cases and only one versions cause that is for failed judges.
    As already stated, those aren't hypothetical cases. You shouldn't assume something simply because it suits you.
    I could recount several situations from last week alone but what would that "prove"? Nothing, as it is quite possible that I make things up and judging by your past posts you tend to assume that people make things up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rilifane View Post

    As already stated, those aren't hypothetical cases. You shouldn't assume something simply because it suits you.
    I could recount several situations from last week alone but what would that "prove"? Nothing, as it is quite possible that I make things up and judging by your past posts you tend to assume that people make things up.
    No I like to know both versions mentor/player to have the full context of each situation and do not jump into assumptions that is why I made you questions and not affirmations, reading comprehension might help you there.
    It's part of me will not jump into forming personal opinion about mentor/player subject based in one version only and without knowing the whole situation, simple as that.

    Specifically in cases where players are not skilled in English language and use youtube guide or examples as tools to avoid give the wrong direction because google translator is not the best solution.
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    Last edited by AnnaRosa; 05-03-2019 at 07:57 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AnnaRosa View Post
    Can tell you about one case however that happened to have a French speaking mentor that wasn't good at English and did pass me the youtube guides for DK dps rotation some players are not English native and use youtube to provide either guides or examples to not risk give a wrong direction.
    Playing in the European DC, this happens more frequently than not. I agree.
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