Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[BillyKaplan]

I wonder if their stance on that has changed, what with comments at the recent Fanfest in one of the guest sessions with Yoshi to the effect that they'd like to challenge themselves regarding character customisation. Certainly hope so.

Letting people keep the old models while giving everyone else new models would certain fall under a customization option...

[spf1200]

They've earned every accusation of sexism thrown their way, by virtue of introducing each gender for different reasons. And that's regardless of whether or not you agree they reinforce problematic gender stereotypes (coudl've been negated by introducing aesthetically similar gender matches, which they chose not to do), or how Hroth males were designed for the sake of "diversity" and "artistic integrity" or what not but the Viera females are sexy waifu bait introduced to please the masses (not that Hroth weren't requested, but not in such capacity, nor was it stated as the lone reason for their introduction). There's even criticism floating around about how what we saw already for Viera is in contrast to how they were portrayed in XII as far as mannerism goes (giggly, dainty waifus in the reveal trailer), so that feeds back into that all the more.

Oh get over yourself. SE hasn't done anything to deserve the sexism claims and you know it. You are hurting your own end game with claims like this. No one is going to listen to someone throwing out silly statements when we have so much that shows it isn't true. As someone else said you need to take a break from this thread because you clearly aren't thinking straight anymore.

[BillyKaplan]

SE hasn't done anything to deserve the sexism claims and you know it.

I obviously don't, other than "I disagree this is sexist" do you have any other rebuttal?

we have so much that shows it isn't true.

Feel free to enlighten me, this too is part of a debate.

As someone else said you need to take a break from this thread because you clearly aren't thinking straight anymore.

I'm not the one losing my temper here

EDIT: I do feel like adding that when I say this is sexist, I'm not saying that was an active factor in the deliberations. These things seldom are, they're just that ingrained, alternatively, an unfortunate product of a mixture of decisions made.

[Renthas]

I obviously don't, other than "I disagree this is sexist" do you have any other rebuttal?



Feel free to enlighten me, this too is part of a debate.



I'm not the one losing my temper here

EDIT: I do feel like adding that when I say this is sexist, I'm not saying that was an active factor in the deliberations. These things seldom are, they're just that ingrained, alternatively, an unfortunate product of a mixture of decisions made.

Personally I do not feel like what they did is sexist on the grounds that their presentation of Viera is, for the most part, very consistent with how they've been portrayed since 2003 with FFTA. However, I would say that the concept art we've gotten for Viera dating since 2003 is pretty sexist considering they're designed entirely around sex appeal. If people can't see that, HOO BOY.

[zeylos]

You're confusing not understanding their point of view, with vehemently disagreeing with it. I fully admit this was done with the best of intentions, but that's the selfsame thing that paves the road to hell, as the proverb goes.
They reintroduced genderlocks after being the ones to remove that moving from 1.0 to 2.0. Mind you, the removal of genderlocks is one of the things the game is known and praised for, which is part of why this stings as bad as it does.
They've earned every accusation of sexism thrown their way, by virtue of introducing each gender for different reasons. And that's regardless of whether or not you agree they reinforce problematic gender stereotypes (coudl've been negated by introducing aesthetically similar gender matches, which they chose not to do), or how Hroth males were designed for the sake of "diversity" and "artistic integrity" or what not but the Viera females are sexy waifu bait introduced to please the masses (not that Hroth weren't requested, but not in such capacity, nor was it stated as the lone reason for their introduction). There's even criticism floating around about how what we saw already for Viera is in contrast to how they were portrayed in XII as far as mannerism goes (giggly, dainty waifus in the reveal trailer), so that feeds back into that all the more.

Now, mind you, they supposedly went on record saying they knew there would be backlash. This goes beyond "we can't please everyone", this is them knowing that they're doing something wrong on some level, they simply thought the good would outweigh the bad.
And then they proved once again how out of touch they are with the playerbase by failing to predict how badly this would blow up in their faces, both because female Hroths and male Viera were also requested by anyone who wanted those races, as well as the very basic act of going back to genderlocks. You have people who don't care for either race in particular but are reconsidering their support of the game because genderlocks are just that big a dealbreaker for them.

I agree with you. I do think that what they did was a very bad decision both from a marketing perspective and specially the fact that they just failed to deliver what the community expected from them, which is no genderlocked races, and I bet a majority of the community is at least somewhat annoyed by gender lock, and that for sure if they only made 1 of the races they wouldn't have gotten near as much backlash

[Yuuki-chan]

I would love to see male viera! ;v; Even if not right away, eventually they should make male viera and female hrothgar.

[wereotter]

I'm sure we'll find out on 24th May what they're planning to do with that, because there's already been hints at some manner of melee re-categorisation, albeit nothing committal just yet. That would have implications for how the gear sets are shared, if they're re-aligned. I'm kinda hoping for SAM and DRG to be paired up.

SAM and DRG working together could make sense, though I think the easiest implementation of changes to melee gear is just delete maiming as a set entirely and have monk, samurai, and dragoon all share gear. Tanks will be sharing between four jobs, healers between three, casters between three, and ranged-physical between three, so having the three strength melee share would make sense... but then you have ninja as the odd one out with a unique set. So possibly a 2-2 split is more sensible, in which case I feel like samurai is the more dexterous job than monk

[Lauront]

SAM and DRG working together could make sense, though I think the easiest implementation of changes to melee gear is just delete maiming as a set entirely and have monk, samurai, and dragoon all share gear. Tanks will be sharing between four jobs, healers between three, casters between three, and ranged-physical between three, so having the three strength melee share would make sense... but then you have ninja as the odd one out with a unique set. So possibly a 2-2 split is more sensible, in which case I feel like samurai is the more dexterous job than monk

It's more me being selfish, since I play both DRG and SAM and hate having to gear them separately.

[Burningskull]

It's more me being selfish, since I play both DRG and SAM and hate having to gear them separately.

I wouldn't mine all the STR jobs sharing gear and all the Dex jobs sharing gear. Reguardless of whether the gear changes appearence per job or not. Would also save on inventory slots.

[zeylos]

I honestly don't mind if they have to give the same gear sets to more jobs if it means it would allow them to remove genderlock