Why are standards seen as a crime in this game?

[Adventica6]

The game is very casual friendly and goes to great length to make players experiences of all skill levels enjoyable. Rarely have I seen someone lash out because they got mad that someone called them out.

Here is an idea, instead of tearing people down for poor performance maybe offer advice and build them up ? not everyone is a professional like most people on these forums

There is going to be the occasional ice mage, the occasional bad tank etc; these people could use guidance rather than shame, remember everyone is different and develops differently, offer aid instead of harm.

Be a part of the solution not part of the problem {Can you do it?} <3 ~

[HyoMinPark]

I would prefer that those theorycrafters dealt with more than end-game optimization. What good does the end-game rotation do you at level 43 or level 59, especially since most of those rotations are built on max-level actions and abilities?

There are several "basic rotation" guides out there for each job. Even optimization guides usually include sections about "this is how your rotation should normally go" in addition to sections about optimized openers and optimized play.

Jobs are incomplete until level 70, but it is possible for you to formulate a rotation at any level with a full, level 70 rotation. It's just up to you to figure it out. Theorycrafters shouldn't be expected to make level 43 or level 59 rotations for you, especially since you won't be level 43 or level 59 for long.

I would also prefer that those optimizations were more widely referenced, as a non-optimized search for "monk rotation ffxiv", for example, will give you a lot of up-front results for ARR and HW before you find the current meta.

Like with all searches, you can be more specific with your search terms to narrow down a result you want. If I am looking for a current rotation, I search "BRD rotation Stormblood" or "DRK rotation Stormblood patch 4.xx" to get more current results. It may take a bit longer to find what I want, but that's just proper research in a nutshell.

If you are just looking for basic 1-2-3, the Job Guides on the Lodestone actually include that information for tanks and melee DPS. They list you "basic combos" for these jobs in addition to explaining how your job gauge works.

Also good to see you added "assuming both players are equal in terms of skill" ... since that is generally where things break down.

Of course, I added that line. Because I was making a comparison, and it's not fair to compare a good player doing a bad rotation with a bad player doing an optimized rotation. A good player doing a bad rotation may pull higher damage than a bad player who is attempting to do a proper rotation, because it takes more than just hitting buttons in the correct order to have decent damage output. But a good player doing a proper rotation will always do more than a good player doing the wrong rotation in this game. It's just the way it's built.

To have a fair comparison, you have to assume equality between the two players, and then compare the variable you are wanting to test (e.g. Optimized Rotation versus a Non-Optimized Rotation).

The game is very casual friendly and goes to great length to make players experiences of all skill levels enjoyable. Rarely have I seen someone lash out because they got mad that someone called them out.

Here is an idea, instead of tearing people down for poor performance maybe offer advice and build them up ? not everyone is a professional like most people on these forums

There is going to be the occasional ice mage, the occasional bad tank etc; these people could use guidance rather than shame, remember everyone is different and develops differently, offer aid instead of harm.

Be a part of the solution not part of the problem {Can you do it?} <3 ~

I want to preface with saying I agree with your premise here. But, in my experience, a lot of people do not like being told they are doing something wrong. I've been cussed at and yelled at by players just for explaining mechanics sometimes. Or, when telling a BRD back in HW that they should be using Wanderer's Minuet at level 60 for +30% damage, that I didn't pay their sub.

[Adventica6]

I want to preface with saying I agree with your premise here. But, in my experience, a lot of people do not like being told they are doing something wrong. I've been cussed at and yelled at by players just for explaining mechanics sometimes. Or, when telling a BRD back in HW that they should be using Wanderer's Minuet at level 60 for +30% damage, that I didn't pay their sub.

It depends on how you approach people ^.^; if you are quick on the trigger with calling out something or offering advice as soon as something goes south then you may be met with resistance. What I like to do is ride the wave a little while, if the situation does not improve then I offer advice with a carefully crafted message tailored to the situation, being mindful of their feelings and how my message would be received and my critique is usually accepted and they improve shortly after. In the past I would definitely call out any wrong doing but was met with the backlash you have mentioned, I then found a more friendly and peaceful way to help others improve, sincere and kind messages explaining what went wrong and how to improve

I understand it can be frustrating to offer help and not get a warm reception but maybe the approach was off, I stay away from offering my "humble advice services" if it was clearly a mistake or something minor as that can come across as annoying or rude. Try and be funny and kind rather than dry and antagonistic, add personality to your messages and you would be surprised at the results, I have had great success with investing a tad more time into my critiques.

[llnoopell]

Honestly the biggest problem in this entire game with you know, people saying they are bad players and excetera with bad attitudes and very toxic behavior on both sides and I feel like the biggest problem in this is not just bad players and bad advise in this game.But the biggest problem since time started is people not using their brain.Seriously it's more of an intellectual problem I mean when I first started this game. I used the novice Network I used the novice center to learn mechanics. I explored the world and try to learn the world myself and palace the dead was around heaven on high wasn't around and the level potions and stuff I do feel like contribute to the the bad players but in all in all palace of the Dead truly has nothing to do with bad players it's seriously just intellectual problem.Everyone feels like oh I need someone to hold my hand through this, hold my hand through that, I need someone to cuddle me up at night because you know I'm still a two year old and I need my hand held since when did you stop thinking... this community but I feel like everyone's just trying to hold everyone's hands instead use your brain. You can figure things out for yourself. STOP relying on someone to hold your hand you're not a little kid and if you are stop playing video games if you can't have a good attitude. there are plenty of ways to learn your job to learn a skill your job has to learned. Here are just a few examples for what people could do.
Hunts they start as early as 50 all the way to 70 very good opportunities for you to use skills.

There's training dummies..
seriously you can go out to the open-world and try things with mobs.
there are plenty of resources in the game... I mean hell.. you could even do the leves. I mean I know some people that still use the leves in order to level even though it's a very inefficient but hey it's there. I could go on to the plethora of resources they have in order for you to learn things. it's up to the individual to use them or I don't know do a Google search it's your best friend.

[HyoMinPark]

It depends on how you approach people ^.^; if you are quick on the trigger with calling out something or offering advice as soon as something goes south then you may be met with resistance. What I like to do is ride the wave a little while, if the situation does not improve then I offer advice with a carefully crafted message tailored to the situation, being mindful of their feelings and how my message would be received and my critique is usually accepted and they improve shortly after. In the past I would definitely call out any wrong doing but was met with the backlash you have mentioned, I then found a more friendly and peaceful way to help others improve, sincere and kind messages explaining what went wrong and how to improve

I understand it can be frustrating to offer help and not get a warm reception but maybe the approach was off, I stay away from offering my "humble advice services" if it was clearly a mistake or something minor as that can come across as annoying or rude. Try and be funny and kind rather than dry and antagonistic, add personality to your messages and you would be surprised at the results, I have had great success with investing a tad more time into my critiques.

I've done smileys and the whole nine yards. Some people don't want to hear the criticism even when it's constructive. So I just don't say anything anymore unless I'm in a Mentor Roulette where it's probably necessary for me to explain things, or if someone explicitly asks how something is done.

[van_arn]

The game is very casual friendly and goes to great length to make players experiences of all skill levels enjoyable. Rarely have I seen someone lash out because they got mad that someone called them out.

Here is an idea, instead of tearing people down for poor performance maybe offer advice and build them up ? not everyone is a professional like most people on these forums

There is going to be the occasional ice mage, the occasional bad tank etc; these people could use guidance rather than shame, remember everyone is different and develops differently, offer aid instead of harm.

Be a part of the solution not part of the problem {Can you do it?} <3 ~

I absolutely agree, it's important to be a part of the solution and not part of the problem.

That's why, if the ice mage refuses to do anything other than ice, a kick should be considered. Because it's a problem if they continue to advance without implementing the basics of their job.

This should be a more serious consideration the further they get into progression. An ice mage at 30 might need some help, but an ice mage in the Burn needs a kick.

If you just bite your tongue and help them through, even when they don't want to do even the basics of their job, you are part of the problem.

[Awful]

I've done smileys and the whole nine yards. Some people don't want to hear the criticism even when it's constructive. So I just don't say anything anymore unless I'm in a Mentor Roulette where it's probably necessary for me to explain things, or if someone explicitly asks how something is done.

This right here, it's a sad truth but I do the same I either get cussed out, ignored, kicked, or all the above, no amount of hand holding is going to make that 70 BRD hit their songs or AoE, or the NIN to use their Mudras if they haven't been they just won't and it's just another brick wall. Last time I did Mentor roulette I got Shiva EX, I gave them my Discord link, got them all in and we eventually cleared it (once people remembered to move behind Shiva for Glass Dance and what not xD) but not all people are like that they won't take the time to jump into Discord even in Mentor roulette there's just people who wanna try to throw themselves at a fight or dungeon and think "well if I throw my body at it enough it'll die!".

The main issue I have with XIV leveling is that the difficulty goes in...sporadic spurts Nidhogg for example is a decent check of what to do in terms of being lvl 60 and understanding some of the basics but then you have dungeons like Xelphatol, I love the dungeon but its a cake walk. Baelsars Wall is a great end dungeon before SB but again there's no consistent difficulty, hell I've seen more people struggle with Keeper of the Lake than I have most of the 60 dungeons, the old primals were great Ifrit was a good build up to Garuda, but because of Hydalen Ultima and Lahabrea are just push overs.

[Aristotle]

Anything that isn't savage or extreme is easy enough to clear without understanding how to play your class. Expecting level 70 players to understand how to play their classes went out the window with the introduction of PoTD, HoH, and Jump Potions. The majority of the content in this game is casual and most players are casual. That's just the reality of it.

[Gralna]

I dunno, have no real problem with standards.

[Bright-Flower]

You know I don't think I've ever seen someone unironically say 'you don't pay my sub.'