Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[Alestrae]

I sit on both sides of the fence here. An anecdote from my WoW tanking experience: I tank really slow. Because I am comfortable that there is no risk with that pace. If someone says please pull faster, i will try. And oddly enough it was someone asking this that encouraged me to improve from stupidly slow to really slow. I also always check an increased pace is ok with the rest of the party.

Sorry, my point is, the tank sets the pace yes. But if the rest of the party feel a change of pace is needed, and explicitly says so, then the tank should at least try to adjust to that.

[Awha]

I sit on both sides of the fence here. An anecdote from my WoW tanking experience: I tank really slow. Because I am comfortable that there is no risk with that pace. If someone says please pull faster, i will try. And oddly enough it was someone asking this that encouraged me to improve from stupidly slow to really slow. I also always check an increased pace is ok with the rest of the party.

Sorry, my point is, the tank sets the pace yes. But if the rest of the party feel a change of pace is needed, and explicitly says so, then the tank should at least try to adjust to that.

I can relate to this, reason I got into raiding back in WoW was because someone called me out for my poor play on my shaman before removing me from the party, sure what they said was far from constructive, but it did get me to look up guides and practice proper rotations, stat break points etc . . . thing is I thought for the longest time I was doing fine but the reality was people just did not care enough to say anything and carried me through content. I get some feel they are being kind and respectful when they pull others across the finish line, but the reality is you are leaving them open to an even harsher fall when someone gets sick of pulling them.

[Granyala]

I sit on both sides of the fence here. An anecdote from my WoW tanking experience: I tank really slow. Because I am comfortable that there is no risk with that pace.

You can't compare WoWs dungeons of old to the faceroll we have in this game.
In the old dungeons you used crowd control, tank AoE was very limited and stuff like avengers shield (Paladin shield throw that hits 3 random mobs) was not usable in a CC scenario because it hit random mobs.
Also you had to wait for patrols because adding pats could very easily wipe the group.

Yeah in such a world a tank has to pull carefully and even *gasp* WAIT for patrols to pass/observe their routes. Man those were the days.

Nothing of that applies to FF-XIV though. The mobs in ex dungeons barely do any damage, they have no special abilities that require any form of control it is all just mindless "drag them onto a heap and AoE them down". I can understand people not having the patience to wait for single group 3 mobs at a time pulls in braindead content like that.

You can kick after 5 minutes have elapsed, and a DD replacement is usually a wait of a few seconds. Even if it takes longer, the ice mage wasn't contributing much damage compared to the AoE the other person could be putting out.

Is it really 5? I had the number 15 in my head. Probably from WoW.
Man, shows how rarely I kick people.