Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[Aurelius2625]

OP's group is kinda dicks, tbh. If a tank is NOT comfortable with doing something...then don't force them to? Jesus. If I queue in DUTY FINDER, I accept that it's going to be RANDOMS that I'm with, that will play DIFFERENTLY than I do. I'll probably bitch on discord, but that's about it. I'll stick it out because I can't EXPECT people to play the way that I WANT to.

Why don't you just find a tank friend, and make them do what you want? I mean... if you want someone to play how you want, shouldn't you make a party finder for it, or find people that play the way that you do? Instead of... I don't know, expecting RANDOM people to fit YOUR criteria?

That's as ridiculous as running savage in PARTY FINDER and expecting them to DO WHAT YOUR STATIC DOES. See how that's weird? Hopefully the tank got a much more understanding and better party than your friends' group. May they be blessed by slow tanks that don't pull much, to temper their impatience.

Hell, I'm a tank that pulls wall to wall, but if a healer tells me that they can't do it, I won't do it. I'll grumble a bit, but I'm not going to make them do something they do or aren't comfy doing. If I'm wanting to be speed racer, I'll grab my static to do it.

I think I finally understand why people kick people from PF that ask what the pug strat is, because they assume the person is going to be a raging wiener about "Uh, that's DUMB! Do it MY way!"

[van_arn]

OP's group is kinda dicks, tbh. If a tank is NOT comfortable with doing something...then don't force them to? Jesus. If I queue in DUTY FINDER, I accept that it's going to be RANDOMS that I'm with, that will play DIFFERENTLY than I do. I'll probably bitch on discord, but that's about it. I'll stick it out because I can't EXPECT people to play the way that I WANT to.

Why don't you just find a tank friend, and make them do what you want? I mean... if you want someone to play how you want, shouldn't you make a party finder for it, or find people that play the way that you do? Instead of... I don't know, expecting RANDOM people to fit YOUR criteria?

That's as ridiculous as running savage in PARTY FINDER and expecting them to DO WHAT YOUR STATIC DOES. See how that's weird? Hopefully the tank got a much more understanding and better party than your friends' group. May they be blessed by slow tanks that don't pull much, to temper their impatience.

Hell, I'm a tank that pulls wall to wall, but if a healer tells me that they can't do it, I won't do it. I'll grumble a bit, but I'm not going to make them do something they do or aren't comfy doing. If I'm wanting to be speed racer, I'll grab my static to do it.

I think I finally understand why people kick people from PF that ask what the pug strat is, because they assume the person is going to be a raging wiener about "Uh, that's DUMB! Do it MY way!"

*shrug* I don't deny kicking a tank that refuses to fast pull is, as you'd say, a "dick move" but I acknowledge it's the prerogative of the party to make that "dick move" or not.

The votes went through, so two people agreed the tank needed to go. So they went.

[Awha]

OP's group is kinda dicks, tbh. If a tank is NOT comfortable with doing something...then don't force them to? Jesus. If I queue in DUTY FINDER, I accept that it's going to be RANDOMS that I'm with, that will play DIFFERENTLY than I do. I'll probably bitch on discord, but that's about it. I'll stick it out because I can't EXPECT people to play the way that I WANT to.

Why don't you just find a tank friend, and make them do what you want? I mean... if you want someone to play how you want, shouldn't you make a party finder for it, or find people that play the way that you do? Instead of... I don't know, expecting RANDOM people to fit YOUR criteria?

That's as ridiculous as running savage in PARTY FINDER and expecting them to DO WHAT YOUR STATIC DOES. See how that's weird? Hopefully the tank got a much more understanding and better party than your friends' group. May they be blessed by slow tanks that don't pull much, to temper their impatience.

Hell, I'm a tank that pulls wall to wall, but if a healer tells me that they can't do it, I won't do it. I'll grumble a bit, but I'm not going to make them do something they do or aren't comfy doing. If I'm wanting to be speed racer, I'll grab my static to do it.

I think I finally understand why people kick people from PF that ask what the pug strat is, because they assume the person is going to be a raging wiener about "Uh, that's DUMB! Do it MY way!"

I mean they did me, as I said in the OP I was the replacement tank they picked up after asking in discord. Now the question if it was a dick move or not is not really a factor here since that is subjective. The reason behind the thread was simply because I got confused about the different levels of tolerance between roles some players in this game have. So I figured it would be an interesting point of discussion. It is interesting to see how vague rules or expectations regarding the DF can create vastly different expectations between the community, and the funny thing is either said can create an argument as to why their way should be valid, but this confusion is really only an issue because SE refuses to establish a clear expectation and use of the DF.

People say that DF is random and we should accept whatever random person we get unless they are rude (to a degree this is subjective and can vary from perspective) trolling (also subjective) or does something against the ToS that is a clear, but also has issues since are guidelines that are not enforced truly guidelines. This is where my confusions lays what makes your perceptive as to what is rude or trolling better then another? The only true objective tool we have to police is the vote kick feature, problem with the vote kick feature is the rules leave a lot up to interpretation.