Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[hydralus]

Just ran into an archer in aurum vale. Yes, an archer. When I told them they should do their job quest, they told me and I quote, "I decided to be an archer." The tank pulled half the room at once and while I can heal through it, an archer who doesn't have songs/rain of death and a DRG who doesn't know what an AoE is made for a very, very long fight. I ran out of MP several times and had to give myself an ewer because not only was the archer out of TP from using quick nock (Hell at least they knew to use AoE, although role actions still elude them) but the DRG went AFK.

Needless to say I didn't approve.

[Mesarthim]

Sometimes I want to reach through someone's monitor and...

Anyway. Sirensong Sea, 3 runs as SCH. First run was fine. Second run was less fine because the melee had ilvl 200 left side and nearly died to everything. In fact I simply let him die when he refused to run away from the second boss and got 4 stacks, which kills him. The third run? Oh boy the third run. The ninja has "okay" left side gear but their jewelry was terrible. They even had the dawnguard bracelet thing that has +1 to each stat, may as well been wearing nothing. Not sure if they even AoE'd since their TP was full and they NEVER put up Huton. Not. Once.

They NEED ilvl requirements in leveling dungeons. That'd at least fix the people who don't upgrade their gear. It's only going to get worse as ilvls increase and people don't upgrade.

[SaitoHikari]

Gal you'd be surprised at how many people I met in dungeons that care not about anything but "BUT MUH DEEPS BRO"

A Tank that never uses tank stance or anything that generates aggro cuz "THEY DONT DO MUCH DAMAGE" all while losing aggro constantly

A DPS that never use aoe skills or dots on mobs when they have it cuz they,and I quote "don't do much damage as single targeting skills"

And the green DPS healer who rarely heal the tank despite asking said tank to mass pull all.

If u saw any of these then you have encountered the parser beast tribe xD

Yeah, no. I'm going to have to call you out on that one.

The logic behind the first bolded line and the last line are contradictory as hell, because you naturally parse much higher by actually using your AoE skills properly (not to mention actually killing things before you run out of TP). The difference is literally night and day, and especially if you play Bard, who has to dot multiple enemies while a tank is mass pulling before switching to Mage's Ballad once the tank reaches their end destination.

Using single target skills during mass pulls because the tooltip says they do higher damage to a single target has nothing to do with people wanting higher parses (because doing exactly that results in much lower parses AND results in the tank and healer wanting to shank you in your sleep), it's all about people not applying logic correctly.

[Cincierta]

To be fair quick nock is a DPS gain even with 2 enemies (150 single target with heavy shot vs 220 for 2 targets with quick nock) granted if they're running out of TP to spam when you move on and there's a group of 3-4+ mobs then it's a loss overall. Still, I've definitely quick nocked 2 mobs at that level assuming I'll have enough for the next group.

Late response, but he wouldn't have enough TP for the next group, and I only had suggested he use QN on 3+ as you get more bang for your buck tp-wise at that level. I don't think he kept up Straight Shot that often either, as I was a bit more focused on keeping mobs off the whm we had in the party. He never bothered to pop Invigorate either to help keep up with his spam.

[Khorchi]

-snip- DPS using AoE skills...

I can fully understand where you are coming from but these parse players DON'T apply logic at all.

There are some of these people that I've encountered literally say that "200 potency is higher than 50 potency. I'll stick with my (insert single target move here) thanks." even though that are literally surrounded by enemies in the first part before the first boss in St Moc's (Hard).

There are players who just see the higher number and want that number every time because "Big number". Even when you try help them, you're met with a snarky comment about Savage raiding and grey parsing.

And majority of the time, whatever class you are in that run, the other three players with you are all parsing at the same time... At least that's what I've encountered.

[gumas]

It kinda irks me especially if I was a healer or Red mage

as a healer main (and currently trying to learn tank) i understand how you feel lol

[hydralus]

Late response, but he wouldn't have enough TP for the next group

That'll do it, then. As an aside I've been leveling MCH and I always feel so impotent at lower levels thanks to needing ammo just to be as good at AoE as a BRD.

[SaitoHikari]

I can fully understand where you are coming from but these parse players DON'T apply logic at all.

There are some of these people that I've encountered literally say that "200 potency is higher than 50 potency. I'll stick with my (insert single target move here) thanks." even though that are literally surrounded by enemies in the first part before the first boss in St Moc's (Hard).

There are players who just see the higher number and want that number every time because "Big number". Even when you try help them, you're met with a snarky comment about Savage raiding and grey parsing.

And majority of the time, whatever class you are in that run, the other three players with you are all parsing at the same time... At least that's what I've encountered.

That's not what we're arguing at all.

- Blaming people for using single target skills during mass pulls because the tooltip says it has higher potency, with the player ignoring that AoE skills are potency per target
VS
- AoEing in general during mass pulls

Has nothing to do with parsing at all. The end result means parsing players -will- AoE in mass pulls 100% of the time unless they're trolling on purpose. Blaming people that are parsing for people single targeting during mass pulls is highly disingenuous and honestly feels like ban bait for even having to talk about this, because such a scenario simply does not exist, period. Single targeting during a mass pull WILL result in a far lower parse than actually AoEing (among other things, like again, the tank and healer wanting to shank you in your sleep, regardless of whatever parsing results there are). If anything, parsing results will also completely discourage that behavior in the first place.

A lot of people on these forums need to pick their fights better, instead of trying to find ways to assign blame between two completely different things that are entirely unrelated and might as well be on opposite sides of the spectrum.

[Khorchi]

-snip-

If they are trolling, they are doing a great job at trolling.

I do agree with you that it's disingenuous. Completely.
However, my subjective experiences and interaction with these sort of players have given me the wrong opinion on the rest of them.
I know they are not ALL like this and some will accept the help that is given to them... But the majority of the time, when help is offered, I get a snarky comment about being grey and big numbers.

Edit: Also I may have shot myself in the foot here. What I mean by parsing players Is the "parsing beat tribe" members. I don't know if they actually parsing but if all it means is big numbers then they must only care about the numbers

[HyoMinPark]

but if all it means is big numbers then they must only care about the numbers

I’d wager to say that, if they actually DID care, they would probably also care to do the math on how much of a damage boost proper rotations and AOE are.


You allowing yourself to have a negative view of a large group of people just because you’ve met some of the scumbag raiders (they do exist, but I don’t think they are the majority of raiders) or wannabe raiders is a bad thing. I hope that you can rectify that in the future, because not all of us are, to quote Dualgunner, le epic big-DPS scumwaffles.