Tank entitlement vs group entitlement

[Physic]

I personally believe that a competent tank is the one that will most likely set the pace.

I've been playing tank since 2.0 and I've been pulling even the walls and I rarely had an issue. Having all jobs to level 70, I know for certain that every job can help with the AoE. Some less than others but when said DPS read their tooltips, they will know how to execute it effectively. By no means that requires top notch optimization or savage level of performance, as AoE rotations are easier to pull than single target rotations. In my opinion "Action economy" is better in big pulls as you are using your cooldowns to damage a higher number of targets within its active window, as well as your consumable resources (TP/MP), mitigation skills and invulns (Yes, Hallowed Grounds and Living Dead ARE cooldowns, not emergency cooldowns). As some poster above mentioned, this is not an issue in level 50; 60 and 70 content. Leveling is debatable. I don't know which content they were running but I guess it's pointless based on what this debate is aimed at...

With that being said... *IF* ANY player/job gets paired up with a majority of people wanting to play in a certain way: They can either adapt, leave or get kicked. Either a competent/great players getting paired up with underperformers or the underperformer getting paired up with competent/great players. Underperformers don't have a free pass because it's DF, same with the opposite party. The run will proceed based on what the majority wants. No one is more entitled than the other.

your saying majority is entitled to steal the time of the other player based on whatever arbitrary decision they like.

[Mavrias]

your saying majority is entitled to steal the time of the other player based on whatever arbitrary decision they like.

and you're saying the minority is entitled to steal the time of the other players based on whatever arbitrary decision they like. if someone is unwilling to even try, they shouldn't be so offended if the group removes them.

[Physic]

and you're saying the minority is entitled to steal the time of the other players based on whatever arbitrary decision they like. if someone is unwilling to even try, they shouldn't be so offended if the group removes them.

there is a fair expectation which depends on the content being attempted, and what the agreement was going into that content.

dungeon duty finder only expects that you be a person in the right role, capable of completing, and actually attempting to complete the content.


what i am saying is it unfair to come into a random casual duty finder and expect optimal play on penalty of time wasted, just because there are more optimal players than not optimal players.

yeah i know, people in duty finder arent great, sometimes its annoying, but if i signed up to play with people of random skill level and experience, i accept they are likely to have random skill level and experience, and i'm not going to punish them for attempting to play the game.

[Lilseph]

your saying majority is entitled to steal the time of the other player based on whatever arbitrary decision they like.

I always do what it's best for the majority within reason. You can't please everyone, but at least if you do, aim to please the majority. It sucks that your time got wasted, but you had a choice and you decided to not think of the group when making that decision.