I just got kicked from a dungeon because of the sounds my Lala makes when she attacks

[LyraKuroneko]

If it is a problem, Square hasn't seen it as enough of a problem to fix it.

Therefore there is no problem to fix, and kicking someone goes through with one supporter.

You can argue morality and tit for tat, but the game systems are clearly defined and you resent that definition.

Don't blame me, blame what's ingame.

So you're basically meaning that you aren't able to decide what you shouldn't do if you're not told as much?

[TheLittlestLala]

I merely say what the game's systems say, and that is if you vote to kick someone you need someone else in the party to back you up for it to be considered justified.

Your kick was justified.

Again this is not how it works. The system was made as a tool for players under the assumption that players will behave themselves and not use it for illegitimate reasons, with SE being the authority on what is or isn't a legitimate use. Any time you use this system you are accepting an agreement with SE that you are not abusing it outside of it's intended purpose, and that if you are you are liable to be punished.

Just because an unthinking system allows a votekick to be made doesn't mean it is justified. It's like saying the chat system allows people to type racial profanity so obviously it's not against the rules.

That's why moderators exist to deal with infractions that can't otherwise be solved with automation.

[DumdogsWorld]

Unfortunately, most kicks for petty reasons are 'justified' by the "difference of play style" rule. However, I found an interesting tidbit in the list of prohibited activities:



If taken at face value and completely literally, this means that they may kick you for a difference of play style, but should they actually call you out in chat before kicking you, they are in violation of the rules.

[TheLittlestLala]

Unfortunately, most kicks for petty reasons are 'justified' by the "difference of play style" rule. However, I found an interesting tidbit in the list of prohibited activities:



If taken at face-value and completely literally, this means that they may kick you for a difference of play style, but should they actually call you out in chat before kicking you, they are in violation of the rules.

Of course if taken at face-value and completely literally it also means that kicking anyone for any reason would be against the rules according to the 7th bulletpoint.

I'm not van_arn though so I won't say it is.

[SerLuke]

I merely say what the game's systems say, and that is if you vote to kick someone you need someone else in the party to back you up for it to be considered justified.

Your kick was justified.

Its really not that cut and dry especially considering in the dialog box there's a warning that says in red "Warning: Unjustified usage of vote dismiss is a punishable act" so no, just because two people agreed to kick a TheLittlestLala for being a Lala doesn't make it justified.

[DumdogsWorld]

Of course if taken at face-value and completely literally it also means that kicking anyone for any reason would be against the rules according to the 7th bulletpoint.

Sorry....couldn't help myself. I just had a fantasy of how these improper kicks could be twisted to break the rules.

We need an influx of lawyer players.

[van_arn]

So you're basically meaning that you aren't able to decide what you shouldn't do if you're not told as much?

In saying there's nothing stopping anyone from doing as they please outside of the limitations already in place.

I don't care about what you or I feel is right or wrong; if it's permitted (it is) then it's permitted.

[van_arn]

Its really not that cut and dry especially considering in the dialog box there's a warning that says in red "Warning: Unjustified usage of vote dismiss is a punishable act" so no, just because two people agreed to kick a TheLittlestLala for being a Lala doesn't make it justified.

That's from back when people were stealing loot via kicks. Square fixed it by adding the vote lockout during rolls, along with extending the timer.

[SerLuke]

That's from back when people were stealing loot via kicks. Square fixed it by adding the vote lockout during rolls, along with extending the timer.

The text would have been removed then, its still there for reasons just like TheLittlestLala's.

[SerLuke]

In saying there's nothing stopping anyone from doing as they please outside of the limitations already in place.

I don't care about what you or I feel is right or wrong; if it's permitted (it is) then it's permitted.

This is a bit silly, you are able to spam an emote or a message in shout over and over again, and you can get banned for it, just because you have an ability to do something in the game doesn't mean you can do anything you want to with it.