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  1. #131
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    Quote Originally Posted by TroySoFab View Post
    If I'm understanding correctly, you have not been kicked from a party due to you selected race or voice. With that in mind, how can you accurately say how you will respond for being kicked over that. If you spent 20-30 minutes in a 24-person raid, and were kicked at the last boss because your catgirl's voice is too annoying, would you just laugh it off?
    Yep. Because I don’t get upset over the little things that have little to no effect on me in the grand scheme of things.

    You can continue to rephrase your question however you like—my answer will stay the same.

    Quote Originally Posted by TroySoFab View Post
    We don't know how often people are kicked for these things, so lets not jump to any conclusions there.
    Says the person who was insinuating this is a common occurrence?

    Quote Originally Posted by TroySoFab View Post
    You were kicked for something actively did. I have no control over the battle noises my character makes. You do have control over what you put in chat. With the little context given I don't want to weigh in on this that much though.

    Maybe its that tone? /s
    I suppose it is too much for some people when I say, “Please let the Mustard Gas add eat two poison clouds. Also, please be careful not to run into them, because the poison stacks they give you are not cleansable” after being yelled at for not using Esuna.

    Quote Originally Posted by TroySoFab View Post
    I'm more concerned with players being removed from parties because of the voice option they picked. I'm also concerned with people defending said action.
    Saying to not let it bother you or to not sweat the small stuff is not the same as someone defending what the kicker did. You keep insist that these things are equatable when they are not.

    It honestly sounds like you need to stop reading things that aren’t actually being said.
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    Last edited by HyoMinPark; 04-19-2019 at 09:04 AM.
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  2. #132
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Yep. Because I don’t get upset over the little things that have little to no effect on me in the grand scheme of things.

    You can continue to rephrase your question however you like—my answer will stay the same.
    Well, not everyone has the luxury of time. Expecting people to be ok with having to devote an additional 30 minutes (plus df time) to re-running content they should not have been kicked from, is really a silly position to take. But if you are fine with it happening to you then good for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Says the person who was insinuating this is a common occurrence?
    Please quote a full statement. This was not insinuated by me.

    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    I suppose it is too much for some people when I say, “Please let the Mustard Gas add eat two poison clouds. Also, please be careful not to run into them, because the poison stacks they give you are not cleansable” after being yelled at for not using Esuna.
    And if we all just ignore improper kicks you'll get to experience this more. But since it gives you a laugh I'm guessing you'd like that.
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  3. #133
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    Quote Originally Posted by TroySoFab View Post
    And if we all just ignore improper kicks you'll get to experience this more. But since it gives you a laugh I'm guessing you'd like that.
    There's nothing improper about this kick. A majority of those in the party didn't want them there, so they were removed. This is preferable to people being forced to run with people they don't like, whether or not this comes as an inconvenience to the person that got removed.

    Don't believe the OP, either. We're plainly not getting the whole story, and the fact an image exists tells me there's a good chance the OP themselves was engaging in outright harassing behavior after the kick.
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  4. #134
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    Quote Originally Posted by TroySoFab View Post
    Well, not everyone has the luxury of time. Expecting people to be ok with having to devote an additional 30 minutes (plus df time) to re-running content they should not have been kicked from, is really a silly position to take. But if you are fine with it happening to you then good for you.
    I don’t have the luxury of time either, to be honest. In addition to school, I also just like to spend time doing other things that aren’t this game. However, my lack of luxury also means that I don’t spend a lot of my time getting so worked up over small things. There’s no point in letting a loser ruin my day because he was triggered over the race/voice of my video game character or something else that literally doesn’t matter.

    I didn’t say they should be okay with it. I said they should shrug it off and not let it get under their skin/ruin their day. Feel free to quote where I said “be okay with being kicked” though.

    Quote Originally Posted by TroySoFab View Post
    Please quote a full statement. This was not insinuated by me.
    Quote Originally Posted by TroySoFab View Post
    Except it is, and I already said why. You are still allowing the behavior to occur. Obviously making a now 13 page thread will bring attention to the issue, as it is now 13 pages long.
    Quote Originally Posted by TroySoFab View Post
    If catgirls started getting kicked from parties because they were annoying, how would you react then?
    These two statements to me kind of make it sound like this “being kicked over a character’s race/voice choice” is a pervasive issue and not just one person being a jerk. I’m feel fairly confident in saying that it’s unlikely people are routinely kicked over their choice of race in a video game.

    Quote Originally Posted by TroySoFab View Post
    And if we all just ignore improper kicks you'll get to experience this more. But since it gives you a laugh I'm guessing you'd like that.
    Will it though? Last I checked, none of us can tell what the future will bring. This is one dude being a jerk—and, honestly, no matter how hard you try, there will always be jerks. You do seem to be conveniently ignoring where I said one can choose to report if they really feel like the offense was report-worthy. My entire argument (aside from disagreeing with your statement that the two statements provided in several posts now are equivalent) is that people should learn not to let others get under their skin.


    It seems like it really bothers you that I’m not offended by silly things, though. I’m not sure why that is, to be honest.
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    Last edited by HyoMinPark; 04-19-2019 at 09:37 AM.
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    Great community btw. Disagree with the hivemind and you're an enemy.
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  6. #136
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alucard135 View Post
    I'd be more concerned about the people that needed 13 pages to know how to deal with a simple issue like this.
    I am pretty sure OP knew what to do about the situation, it's more like a thread of "Welp, this happened, don't you guys think it's absurd, too?"
    People sharing their opinions on what to do, what they think about the situation, and their own experiences has made this thread 14 pages long, and there's nothing wrong with that.
    It's called General Discussion for a reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TroySoFab View Post
    I'm more concerned with players being removed from parties because of the voice option they picked.
    Apply for a GM position? Because there's pretty much nothing you can do about this unless you were the one being kicked.

    Quote Originally Posted by TroySoFab View Post
    I'm also concerned with people defending said action.
    I don't see people defending it (unless you're counting those being sarcastic).

    Quote Originally Posted by NessaWyvern View Post
    I am pretty sure OP knew what to do about the situation, it's more like a thread of "Look what happened to me, don't you guys think it's absurd, too?"
    People sharing their opinions on what to do, what they think about the situation, and their own experiences has made this thread 14 pages long, and there's nothing wrong with that.
    It's called General Discussion for a reason.
    Exactly, it was a discussion about how absurd such action is. But I'm replying to the ones saying that these pages will help bring attention to the issue. If someone needed that amount of discussion to know that they should report such actions, then I'd be concerned about them.
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  8. #138
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    Quote Originally Posted by AxlStream View Post
    Great community btw. Disagree with the hivemind and you're an enemy.
    I think it's more the fact that generally your posts come off as condescending and arrogant. You don't fully express the point that you're trying to put across and instead make short quips or a handful of sentences then expect people to just get the jist of what you're trying to say. The problem is people are more likely to fill in the blanks with the worst possible way to take things.
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  9. #139
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    I didn’t say they should be okay with it. I said they should shrug it off and not let it get under their skin/ruin their day. Feel free to quote where I said “be okay with being kicked” though.
    Ruined their day? Again with no one insinuating or directly saying something. Leaving a sour taste in someone's mouth with the game, yes I am saying that. Playing games is typically a relaxing pastime for people. How relaxing is being kicked from a party where you did nothing to obstruct gameplay.


    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    These two statements to me kind of make it sound like this “being kicked over a character’s race/voice choice” is a pervasive issue and not just one person being a jerk. I’m feel fairly confident in saying that it’s unlikely people are routinely kicked over their choice of race in a video game.
    That's a bit of a stretch. I'm saying that being kicked over your character's voice is an issue. I have no clue if its happened once or a thousand times, but it should not happen again.


    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    Will it though? Last I checked, none of us can tell what the future will bring. This is one dude being a jerk—and, honestly, no matter how hard you try, there will always be jerks. You do seem to be conveniently ignoring where I said one can choose to report if they really feel like the offense was report-worthy. My entire argument (aside from disagreeing with your statement that the two statements provided in several posts now are equivalent) is that people should learn not to let others get under their skin.
    Its not really about people having thin skin. If someone gets kicked for their character's voice, or explaining a mechanic should they go into a depression and never play this game again? No of course not. But things like this do spoil the in game experience.


    Quote Originally Posted by HyoMinPark View Post
    It seems like it really bothers you that I’m not offended by silly things, though. I’m not sure why that is, to be honest.
    Yet again, I'm not sure where you are getting this from. If you are ok with people kicking you for explaining mechanics, that's fine its your sub lol. But I'll send the question back to you. It seems to bother you that I don't like people being kicked from parties for "silly things".
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  10. #140
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    Quote Originally Posted by van_arn View Post
    I've had a nice sit-down and have decided the reason listed for expulsion is too asinine to be the entire reason.

    Either the snippet of conversation posted is presented out of context, or there was an underlying issue. Most likely candidate would be underperformance, since the "accused" couldn't talk about it directly so they just made up nonsense on the spot.

    The fact that the conversation exists as a screenshot at all likely means the op went all the way to the point of adding someone on another server to their contacts, then harassed them when they were out of dungeon, demanding an explanation for why they were kicked.

    Ultimately, at least two other people (perhaps three) simply didn't want the op in there, and no amount of tos or report fudgery would make them want to keep them around.

    SE is powerless when a party doesn't want a player around, so take the L and move on.

    Majority vote is a proper dismissal.
    First of all the people who kicked me are on my server and both in the same FC.

    Secondly he pmed me first after I was telling people at the car pile the funny story about how I got kicked from a dungeon because of my attack noises.

    Thirdly the dungeon was The Tam-Tara Deepcroft and I cleared Final Omega savage so I can tell you right now it wasn't under-performance.

    The entire conversation was started with him telling me "that's a good way to get blocked" after I /surprised the DC'd healer, me saying nothing until he told me to "fucking stop" while I was doing the 2 attacks I have as a warrior at that level and me having to explain to him that those sounds are from my attacks. After a period of nobody saying anything I got kicked.

    No offense but coming in here acting like you know what happened with utmost certainty kind of just makes you look like a pretentious jerk.
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    Last edited by TheLittlestLala; 04-19-2019 at 01:10 PM.

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