Suggestion for those wanting male Vieras

[WaterShield]

At this point it's more about admitting their mistake and offering an apology. Once some more info came out things calmed down some, though there is still a demand, people understood their reasons then. But the way they manipulated us, it's almost like they wanted the backlash. While Yoshi-P might not fully know the extent of the west's opinions, him understanding the Japanese side made him realize they need to release media differently.

Manipulated?

They never once showed a male viera at any point over the fanfests, only female ones. They never promised that they were coming. Male viera had never appeared in any other game.... So when they didn't make them they "manipulated" people??? Why? Is it because people pre-ordered without waiting for more information? No one made anyone pre-order.

I just can't comprehend the leaps of logic to assign blame to someone for your own misplaced expectations. If they haven't promised it, you should probably temper your expectations. I would honestly apply this to any entertainment product you might be excited for in the future as well.

[LaylaTsarra]

Manipulated?

They never once showed a male viera at any point over the fanfests, only female ones. They never promised that they were coming. Male viera had never appeared in any other game.... So when they didn't make them they "manipulated" people???

I just can't comprehend the leaps of logic to assign blame to someone for your own misplaced expectations. If they haven't promised it, you should probably temper your expectations. I would honestly apply this to any entertainment you might be excited for in the future as well.

It's standard fare around here. Blame the developers for ulterior motives and bias cause it's easier to do that than accept the reasoning they gave for their choices. The degree of entitlement here is strong. It's one thing to ask for the additional races but entirely another to try and assign some evil motives to the developers who work very hard giving us what we get.

[Iscah]

Manipulated?

They never once showed a male viera at any point over the fanfests, only female ones. They never promised that they were coming. Male viera had never appeared in any other game.... So when they didn't make them they "manipulated" people??? Why? Is it because people pre-ordered without waiting for more information? No one made anyone pre-order.

I just can't comprehend the leaps of logic to assign blame to someone for your own misplaced expectations. If they haven't promised it, you should probably temper your expectations. I would honestly apply this to any entertainment product you might be excited for in the future as well.

While "manipulated" is probably too strong a word, they definitely strung people along about the possibility of male Viera for too long.

I would say the closest to actual manipulation (or at least cruel teasing) was the reveal of Viera themselves - specifically, starting out with the joke "Viangaa" race that, however unseriously, shows the males and females of a race. I feel like at this point they should have been aware of the anticipation for what male Viera would be like, and when they showed that slide I was certain it was a fleeting joke to mess with those high anticipations, and the next slide would be the real reveal of the race. Which of course it was, but only the females, and they seemed to deliberately avoid mentioning male Viera again.

And in interviews from that same time, when specifically asked if male Viera were coming, they just said "wait for Tokyo Fanfest!" - which meant a lot of people were holding out hope for a lot longer than they should have, and all their rage at the final confirmation of "no male Viera" happened right at the point where SE really wanted people to be excited about this other new race they were showing off.


It could have been handled so much more tactfully. Simply admitting at Paris Fanfest that there would be no playable male Viera, and "please look forward to Tokyo where we will reveal a second new race", would have defused so much of the anger - or at least let the fandom get over the brunt of it long before Tokyo, and be ready to appreciate the new race rather than reacting to what it wasn't.

[Eriane_Elis]

OP, you do realize that Yoshi P already mentioned the level of difficulty it would be to unlock the gendered locked races considering how many assets they have in the game already right? You also realize that Yoshi P said that he and his team will consider unlocking these gender locked races once development becomes tame after the 5.0 launch right?

It doesn't matter how many complain, the answer is still the same. 5.0 will contain gender locked races and no amount of complaining can change this. They already have plans to consider changing this but given the short amount of development time they had for 5.0, they couldn't do it. There is also the fact that most people don't care, they would rather see more content than unlocked classes and to that, I agree. There are so many other issues they should address, you're at least getting a new male and female race to pick from if you really want it. If they hadn't released them, you wouldn't complain and played just fine.

This is a Japanese game first and foremost, western audiences come second. This is a western "issue", not a eastern one. But I'd like to think of it as a non-issue since it's really not important, unlike specific gameplay mechanics that need to be fixed. You might argue that they have different teams and can do it, so then you would rather they stop releasing new armor / glam for some time then? I wouldn't.

[Seraphor]

While "manipulated" is probably too strong a word, they definitely strung people along about the possibility of male Viera for too long.

I would say the closest to actual manipulation (or at least cruel teasing) was the reveal of Viera themselves - specifically, starting out with the joke "Viangaa" race that, however unseriously, shows the males and females of a race. I feel like at this point they should have been aware of the anticipation for what male Viera would be like, and when they showed that slide I was certain it was a fleeting joke to mess with those high anticipations, and the next slide would be the real reveal of the race. Which of course it was, but only the females, and they seemed to deliberately avoid mentioning male Viera again.

And in interviews from that same time, when specifically asked if male Viera were coming, they just said "wait for Tokyo Fanfest!" - which meant a lot of people were holding out hope for a lot longer than they should have, and all their rage at the final confirmation of "no male Viera" happened right at the point where SE really wanted people to be excited about this other new race they were showing off.


It could have been handled so much more tactfully. Simply admitting at Paris Fanfest that there would be no playable male Viera, and "please look forward to Tokyo where we will reveal a second new race", would have defused so much of the anger - or at least let the fandom get over the brunt of it long before Tokyo, and be ready to appreciate the new race rather than reacting to what it wasn't.

The problem is that they didn't want to give away the reveal of a second race before Tokyo.
Confirming that there were no male Viera in Paris would've caused even more backlash, or just given away the fact that a second race was coming.
Unfortunately that was leaked anyway, but they couldn't have anticipated that.

[Iscah]

The problem is that they didn't want to give away the reveal of a second race before Tokyo.
Confirming that there were no male Viera in Paris would've caused even more backlash, or just given away the fact that a second race was coming.
Unfortunately that was leaked anyway, but they couldn't have anticipated that.

I just don't think keeping the "secret" of a second race was worth the backlash.

It would have been a much better strategy to say that a second race was coming, while not revealing any details about it - sometime between Paris and Tokyo, if not immediately at Paris. That would still build hype and interest about exactly what would be revealed, while letting people get through the disappointment over male Viera during the "downtime" between Fanfests rather than right when they were supposed to be excited about the new reveal.

[LaylaTsarra]

I just don't think keeping the "secret" of a second race was worth the backlash.

There would have been a backlash regardless. It's pretty simple they wanted to keep the additional race as a surprise for their reveal in Tokyo. They made the decision to make the races the way they did and for many of us they made a good choice given they didn't have the resources for two complete races. The "there should have had male viera threads" would have simply started a lot sooner.

It remains to be seen if they find the resources and make the decision to make the missing genders for 6.0.

[Taybat]

I plan on making viera when the game launches and literally naming it male viera