Can we have a server merger after fee take place ?

[Bahn]

LMAO how ignorant can one person be.. /sigh

Don't be fooled, the JP players have been asking for language specific servers for a long time.

IIRC, the thread on the JP side that asked for language-based segregation was a 50/50 standoff like the thread on our side.

It's not as cut and dry as you think, so don't present it as such.

[Ava]

As someone looking to play with other people, I'd prefer regional servers because of time zones most specifically. I want to play with people that have play times around the same times that I play. I can't make accommodations to play on EU or JP times and if linkshells have to recruit people that can make these times, then it's quite inconvenient for me.

However, as a social person, I love the international servers. Unfortunately I play MMOs for more than socializing and at the moment I would have to take the side of wanting region specific servers. Has nothing to do with anything racial or whatever, it's purely time zone inconvenience.

With that said, though, I am glad they are doing server merges and it will make me reconsider paying the sub fee. I've been playing with 1.20 stuff the past few days and I like it, but the fact that there is only ~300-350 people (including AFKs) online on my server at any given time of my day (US CST) is kind of crappy. It's impossible to find anything outside of the linkshell and even that seems slow (probably due to SWTOR).

[Jinko]

So if Selbina happens to have a slightly larger Japanese population it is a Japanese server?

No, I don't think so. If Japanese players on Selbina don't want to share a server with Americans or Europeans they should be the ones to leave. I shouldn't be forced off of my server because some people want regional servers.

This isn't about what you want, if Yoshi-p says this is the JP server you have little choice but to accept that, although I'm sure you would whine like a little school girl.

You will have the choice to move or stay where you are, do what you want, I really couldn't care less.

You just said you would be fine with moving, so stop trying to segregate the rest of us against our will.

Where is it that I am forcing you to do anything ? and stop talking on behalf of everyone else.

IIRC, the thread on the JP side that asked for language-based segregation was a 50/50 standoff like the thread on our side.

It's not as cut and dry as you think, so don't present it as such.

Where did i present it in such a manner ?

[darkstarpoet1]

As someone looking to play with other people, I'd prefer regional servers because of time zones most specifically. I want to play with people that have play times around the same times that I play. I can't make accommodations to play on EU or JP times and if linkshells have to recruit people that can make these times, then it's quite inconvenient for me.

However, as a social person, I love the international servers. Unfortunately I play MMOs for more than socializing and at the moment I would have to take the side of wanting region specific servers. Has nothing to do with anything racial or whatever, it's purely time zone inconvenience.

With that said, though, I am glad they are doing server merges and it will make me reconsider paying the sub fee. I've been playing with 1.20 stuff the past few days and I like it, but the fact that there is only ~300-350 people (including AFKs) online on my server at any given time of my day (US CST) is kind of crappy. It's impossible to find anything outside of the linkshell and even that seems slow (probably due to SWTOR).

i like the idea of playing with time zones, but if the servers were done the way yoshi wants it and you have 1500-2000 on prime times on each time zone wouldn't that be better than regional servers?

the reason i say this is you may only play during the week in the evenings so you will be on during those hours and regional servers are great for that. the problem comes into if you have a day off and decided to jump in game round noon. regional servers would be ghost towns at noon. you have problems sleeping at night and hop on at 3am and once again you are in a mmo by yourself.

in global servers that is one of the advantages of them. if i get on at noon i jump on with the players from other areas. i may have some trouble communicating with them because i do not speak my language, but that doesn't stop half of my friends list from being jp/fr.

i have met some great people from other areas and am very rarely left out of one of their parties because i have made efforts to speak to the majority of the jp players on my server so most of them know who i am and know that i am joining a party with them to have fun. yes, i do not speak their language at all, but they do know that i am willing to try to speak with them using the translator or google to at least try to get the basics of what they are saying to me.

if i only got on at na primetime and never once signed in at any other time then i would not see an issue with being on a regional server. the thing is on days off or sleepless nights i am liable to be on at any time so i like a global server because i would not be on with the turbo crafters and npc's only.

[AmyRae]

Having mixed region servers is good for the players in more ways than the, "Your language is silly," encounters would suggest.

First, it creates servers that have activity on them 24/7. This helps the player economy (go to sleep, and wake up to find your items sold and fresh ingredients are up for sale). This also helps keeps costs down (rather than tripling up on servers that will remain mostly idle most of the day just to satisfy regional segregation). Lower operating costs means more money SE can spend on other things. Like moogle songs.

No one is forced to learn a new language just to play FFXIV. But you do have the chance to make friends with people around the world that you wouldn't normally have the opportunity to. I've been lucky to make friends in Japan in FFXI, even though we hardly understand each other. I'd rather strive for environment where these sorts of friendships are possible (even if it's a little difficult at times) than give in to ensuring it can never happen in exchange for some "comforting" linguistic purity.

[PandaTaru]

Howdy! Yoshida has made a post stating that the world merge is currently being planned and would like to share the details here as well.

Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
Hi, this is Producer/Director Yoshida here.

I understand your concern on the number of concurrent users.

Actually the world merge is currently in plan.

We will first analyze the number of players in the game after the billing service begins.
Based on that analysis, we will be running a simulation where the maximum concurrent access during the peak hours will become somewhere around 1500 to 2000 per World.
* The above number is provisional and not a finalized number.

And with the method on how the world merge will be done, it will not be done in a simple method where World A and World B will merge into a single new World.
In order for EU players to gather on the same server in a certain mass, we are planning to go with the method where the players from a World with a less population can designate the World they wish to transfer to.

With the details such as when and how it will be done, they will be announced once they are confirmed.
(I'm assuming that the next update should become available in mid-January.)

Thank you for this sweet xmas gift!

EU players should come to Fabul. We have a sizable amount of EU players in my LS alone and we have been here since beta.

No offense, but I think you misread; The way I read it is that some servers will be shutdown and Fabul will surely be among one of them considering that it's one of the servers with the lowest population. Go try other servers that were mentioned in this thread that have a good/large community of EU players and compare with the number of EU players who are on Fabul. You'll most likely will have to move your ls somewhere else, if everyone in it want to move on the same server, rather than have people coming on the server.

Global servers FTW.

Cheers and thank you again Yoshi for this sweet gift.

[Ava]

i like the idea of playing with time zones, but if the servers were done the way yoshi wants it and you have 1500-2000 on prime times on each time zone wouldn't that be better than regional servers?

the reason i say this is you may only play during the week in the evenings so you will be on during those hours and regional servers are great for that. the problem comes into if you have a day off and decided to jump in game round noon. regional servers would be ghost towns at noon. you have problems sleeping at night and hop on at 3am and once again you are in a mmo by yourself.

in global servers that is one of the advantages of them. if i get on at noon i jump on with the players from other areas. i may have some trouble communicating with them because i do not speak my language, but that doesn't stop half of my friends list from being jp/fr.

i have met some great people from other areas and am very rarely left out of one of their parties because i have made efforts to speak to the majority of the jp players on my server so most of them know who i am and know that i am joining a party with them to have fun. yes, i do not speak their language at all, but they do know that i am willing to try to speak with them using the translator or google to at least try to get the basics of what they are saying to me.

if i only got on at na primetime and never once signed in at any other time then i would not see an issue with being on a regional server. the thing is on days off or sleepless nights i am liable to be on at any time so i like a global server because i would not be on with the turbo crafters and npc's only.

That's a valid point and it's definitely a con of regional servers, but I think I'd still prefer it. I like playing on a schedule sort of, as in, I like saying to my friends/linkshell/group "I can do content from 7-11 CST" and not have to worry about EU people not being able to make it or having to raid at bad times for them, etc. I would use those "noon" times to do solo activities like crafting or soloing an alt or something like that. Otherwise, a way to mitigate the effect (I can't speak for EU/Asian players) would be rather than make the servers strictly time zone restricted, is just make them like NA (Maybe include LA as well)/EU/Asian. NA time zones stretch across 5 hours? PST -> EST is 3 hr difference but I believe Hawaii is 5 hrs? I'd have to double check, but if I use WoW as an example, I play on an EST server and the server doesn't start dying down until around 1-2AM CST. If PST players played there as well tack another 2 hours onto that meaning things wouldn't slow down until 3-4AM CST( 4-5AM EST). There would only be a couple hours of dead time on the servers and I think the amount of people it would impact would be minimal.

If they really wanted to, they could just not force people to play on their region's servers. I know some people don't live the same lifestyle I do and may work third shift or something or for whatever other reason play during the NA "off-times", these people could have the option to play on an EU or JP server if they wish.

I've also met a lot of people from different regions that I have come to enjoy a lot. That and I'd probably miss all the hawt EU/Aussie accents. But what it comes down to at the end of the day for me is that I want to play the game and meet a certain level of productivity. I want to be able to do things on a consistent schedule, and it's hard when your linkshells have to work around vastly different time zones (EU/JP/etc.).

But of course it really comes down to the individual. It certainly seems like a less popular idea on the NA side than on the JP side, from what I've heard.

[Ilean]

Because not only do you prefer to play with people speaking your language, you can't even be on a server with them.

Not asking for region lock outs so your argument doesn't hold up.

You must be on a server with your own kind, and if not your kind then they at least have to pass for one right? Maybe a Japanese person could play on an English server if you couldn't tell they were Japanese from their English.

I must be on a server where the majority of the players speak the same language I do. Again, never asked for anyone to get locked out by geographic region, only that SE officially labels servers by preferred language and then people can decide what they want.

No, there is not a tinge of racism in that at all I'm sure. You are wonderful people.

If you had to hire a receptionist would you go for one that 80% (that's the proportion of Japanese players in Gysahl) of your customers don't understand? I bet nope.

And if she called a racist for rejecting her despite the fact that you explained to her that your decision is based not on her race or background but on her inability to communicate with most of your customers... wouldn't that make her a little retarded?

[Xatsh]

I do not feel a choice would work well honestly mainly it forces you to play in a specific time frame. If I can log in at 11am on a weekday I want to be able to find a party, not have to wait until 5-6pm.

Worse Economy, limited play time, volitility of foreign markets (NA/EU are more volital and more of them have quit compared to JPs).

I just feel the negative far outweigh the positives. I would rather have 1500-2000 ppl online near 24/hrs compared to 3500 ppl online for 5hrs then 300 ppl online the rest of the day.

Global servers keep the AH flowing better, things are always selling and being put on sale. Go to sleep with an AH full of good and you have 2 regions of buyers that can buy it before you log back on... instead of the put an item up at 11pm est then have to wait 2 days to sell it.

Global servers can be more heavily populated. You can put 8000-9000 ppl on 1 server on a global without grinding it to a halt because of the different play hours... put that many on a region specific and I think the XIV servers will catch on fire. This also effects the market in the part mentioned before.

If I am off work and want to get on at say noon, I can on global server I can easily play with the EU player... if it is regional I am forced to wait longer for more NAs to get online to even play the game... And no solo play is not an option.

Aion atm is one of the most popular and largest mmos on the planet with over 1.6 million players... unfortunately there is < 30k in NA. The game is all but dead in the west... XIV was not well recepted and with NA players foaming at the mouth for western titles like ToR and GW2.... well XIV risks Aion's fate as well. XI would of been in deep trouble as well without global servers for this same reason. Regional servers require much more frequent server merges which in tern make players panic quit because the "Game is Dying". Global servers simply keep the game alive longer. Imagine now if your XIV servers where NA only some servers would have 100-150 ppl only logged in instead of 300-600.

If regional servers are made I predict the NA and EU division of the game will simply collasp before 2.0 is released. And with a non-existent playerbase no one will buy the mmo at 2.0's relaunch no matter what improvements are made. There for you have a game that will thrive in JP and the NA/EU servers will simply shutdown, not because the game was not fixed, but because the majority of the population was removed due to region locking.

Having slightly lower latency in my opinion is not a fair trade out for all the above negatives...

[Ilean]

I do not feel a choice would work well honestly mainly it forces you to play in a specific time frame. If I can log in at 11am on a weekday I want to be able to find a party, not have to wait until 5-6pm.

Worse Economy, limited play time, volitility of foreign markets (NA/EU are more volital and more of them have quit compared to JPs).

I just feel the negative far outweigh the positives. I would rather have 1500-2000 ppl online near 24/hrs compared to 3500 ppl online for 5hrs then 300 ppl online the rest of the day.

Global servers keep the AH flowing better, things are always selling and being put on sale. Go to sleep with an AH full of good and you have 2 regions of buyers that can buy it before you log back on... instead of the put an item up at 11pm est then have to wait 2 days to sell it.

Global servers can be more heavily populated. You can put 8000-9000 ppl on 1 server on a global without grinding it to a halt because of the different play hours... put that many on a region specific and I think the XIV servers will catch on fire. This also effects the market in the part mentioned before.

If I am off work and want to get on at say noon, I can on global server I can easily play with the EU player... if it is regional I am forced to wait longer for more NAs to get online to even play the game... And no solo play is not an option.

Aion atm is one of the most popular and largest mmos on the planet with over 1.6 million players... unfortunately there is < 30k in NA. The game is all but dead in the west... XIV was not well recepted and with NA players foaming at the mouth for western titles like ToR and GW2.... well XIV risks Aion's fate as well. XI would of been in deep trouble as well without global servers for this same reason. Regional servers require much more frequent server merges which in tern make players panic quit because the "Game is Dying". Global servers simply keep the game alive longer. Imagine now if your XIV servers where NA only some servers would have 100-150 ppl only logged in instead of 300-600.

If regional servers are made I predict the NA and EU division of the game will simply collasp before 2.0 is released. And with a non-existent playerbase no one will buy the mmo at 2.0's relaunch no matter what improvements are made. There for you have a game that will thrive in JP and the NA/EU servers will simply shutdown, not because the game was not fixed, but because the majority of the population was removed due to region locking.

Having slightly lower latency in my opinion is not a fair trade out for all the above negatives...

Pffft, that only means you condense the NA players into fewer NA servers.

Having fewer NA Servers than JP servers doesn't hurt the game experience at all, being in a server where 80% don't talk your language does.