Please make Blue Mage a normal job

[Physic]

Except..it's not broken it doesn't even feel fun to play at max level, the fun was leveling and getting spells till you got 1000 needles and then /doze for the rest of the levels and what high end content are you talking about? EX primals? Why slog through the grind when you can get 2 lvl 70s to carry you and 6 other BLUs through EX primals that you can't even do? You can only do weird things like blow up in major cities for some comic relief I'd much prefer an actual class than having something that is segregated from everything else.

i already agree it needs more reason to actually play the job. I am only usually entertained on blue mage these days when me and a friend or 2 go through some content to hunt some missing spell without a carry. Unfortunately, as you say, its pretty ineffecient to do it that way.


they basically need to give blue mages a reason not to be carried.
more places to use blue mages
and some form of longer term content where you can go have fun using blue mage and gain some sort of benefit.


specifically though, i was saying they want to seperate it from normal play, because it can do broken things.

[Awha]

It's a house of cards Physic and Awha, remove a fundamental piece and it all comes crashing down. And as Yoshi-P stated, "balance" is what is being used as an excuse. If SE wanted any sort of meaningful feedback and acted on it, then it definitely would be to their benefit as well, not just the players.

Nevertheless, as Rei and Valde suggested, therein lies a possiblity to have both your "limited job" aspects and what we want to be able to use BLU as any other job.
I don't want to shamelessly use what Valde said repeatedly, but I have to because it's pivotal: it's about the "drain on resources" Valde hinted at.

Here is the thing, if there is a way to make everyone happy, and as a business having their customers be happy is necessary since we are the ones paying, wouldn't it make sense for them to take that route?
If not, then what other excuse is there? That the business itself simply doesn't want to because they don't want to put in the effort?
In other words because they're being... l-a-z-ee?

Because if that's the answer, it's not really a good answer is it?

Anyway, there doesn't seem to be a way to have a honest vis-a-vis with SE. I don't speak Japanese, google translator is what I have to rely on and you know how it is...
On this aspect even the other MMOs aren't fairing that well tbh.

As I said I was unsure if the balance was the primary reason or identity, I have heard both reasons as to why the class is limited. I have also said I do not agree with their reasoning and I have said it is 1000% possible to make a version of BLU everyone would be happy with and if you feel SE will be able to do such a job that would make both sides happy fantastic. I personally cannot get behind a full rework because I simply lack faith in the combat teams ability to do any rework that will not gut the aspects that I personally enjoy. In the end though it is not my choice and it is up to SE and I will simply roll with the punches with whatever path they choose. You are right it would make sense for SE to make changes to the game based off the feedback of the players that are playing said content but let us be real SE has an odd track record. Personally I would not have released BLU in the current state that it is in, I also would have put in the work to make BLU one of the first possible multi role jobs in the game. Yoshi-P clearly has a version of BLU that it cannot be balanced properly while keeping while keeping true to his view on the class identity of BLU. So that is why I simply do not think SE is willing to make a version of BLU that will make everyone happy since if they wanted to they could have done so since I do not think anyone thinks it is impossible to do so.

In the end some of you may have faith in SE to go back and make changes to BLU to make it into something everyone will be able to enjoy, but for me that is confusing since if that was really in the cards why not just do it from the start. Might not be fair of me to see it as an only two options but from other aspects SE to me has proven they are not really all that great at providing options and it does seem like it is a one or another approach. Since if I am not mistake didn't yoshi-p say something along the lines that unless they did something drastic jobs like BLU would properly never be added to the game? Clearly shows they have a ridged view.

Please do not misunderstand me, I truly wish BLU could be used in all forms of content while also leaving open the possibly to customize the play style with certain abilities even if it is just pseudo alterations at this point. My vision for BLU was to be one of the first multi role jobs. As said limited jobs have the potential to offer wildly unique experiences, sure BLU first foray is a rather sparse experience, and can most definitely use more means to establish long term engagement. It is far from perfect but personally I see the concept has potential and while I would rather see both blended together, I just do not see that happening with how ridged SE has shown to be. So if I had to pick between the two I have to pick expand and flesh out the limited job concept.

[Valdegarde]

Awha, I just want to thank you for taking the time to write that out and convey your feelings behind the stance you've taken. While my feelings differ, as you've mentioned, being able to properly convey the thought process behind these feelings from everyone regardless of opinion is an extremely important step in taking some community action to get somewhere better with all this. I will be the first to say I get quite incensed and irritated at those who drop in, attempt to shut everything down they possibly can and jet, leaving nothing constructive in the process for those who do have some investment in this thing we call a Blue Mage.
I wanted to show my appreciation, more posts like these are necessary for the health of the game and the community regardless of which "side" you're on.

[Anesteria]

To Awha and Physic, sorry for butchering the quote.

Yeah I didn't want to conflate both of your arguments, I apologise about that if it came across that way.

However, in the end in regards to what's being agreed on here, is that it ultimately comes down to SE not being 100% honest with us. And what we can take away is essentially that it comes back down to their statements being nothing more than damage control. Because they wouldn't use that kind of language if they wanted to honestly give us said information. This only serves to show us how they knew that this had the potential to bite them in the back, and it ultimately did. It depends on whether they want to continue with this and claim stuff that isn't the reality by saying that "BLU is a resounding success!" or will start sending other signals.

It's by putting all the pieces together that it simply becomes more and more depressing. I do not think "laziness" is a good excuse and I hope everyone else agrees, as I can see that you do agree to a certain extent Awha and Physic. And if this reason is not good enough for people who are fine with "limited jobs", I dare say that SE's decision is not the success they are trying to sell us.
And don't worry Awha, it was not my intention to misconstrue what you were saying, I just didn't have enough space to type. XD

In regards to the rigidity, it's one they created but it's also the one they can modify. BLU does not suffer from such huge issues, that IF SE wanted to fix it, they would not have the capability to make it fit. I would expect Yoshida to have gathered enough feedback to realise that people who really wanted BLU to open up, are willing to make the sacrifices necessary to make the job work like the others, and that there is no need to eliminate the "limited jobs" since now they're already in the game.
So they don't have to backpedal that hard and make a scene.

[ReiMakoto]

i already agree it needs more reason to actually play the job. I am only usually entertained on blue mage these days when me and a friend or 2 go through some content to hunt some missing spell without a carry. Unfortunately, as you say, its pretty ineffecient to do it that way.


they basically need to give blue mages a reason not to be carried.
more places to use blue mages
and some form of longer term content where you can go have fun using blue mage and gain some sort of benefit.


specifically though, i was saying they want to seperate it from normal play, because it can do broken things.

End game, you're describing endgame, which BLU needs to be part of.

Also the only "Broken" thing you've come up with is using a literal exploit to self destruct for a DPS gain and kill trash slightly better than other classes. Until it can actually do something broken or worth being a limited job, I'm just going to assume you vastly misunderstand how combat works in this game leading you to misguidedly think things are broken when they are not.

[Anesteria]

Awha, I just want to thank you for taking the time to write that out and convey your feelings behind the stance you've taken. While my feelings differ, as you've mentioned, being able to properly convey the thought process behind these feelings from everyone regardless of opinion is an extremely important step in taking some community action to get somewhere better with all this. I will be the first to say I get quite incensed and irritated at those who drop in, attempt to shut everything down they possibly can and jet, leaving nothing constructive in the process for those who do have some investment in this thing we call a Blue Mage.
I wanted to show my appreciation, more posts like these are necessary for the health of the game and the community regardless of which "side" you're on.

Indeed. As I already posted earlier, I also wanted to thank ALL those who stuck around, no matter their opinion. Discussion is at the heart of finding solutions and understanding, and I want to apologise for my tone if it were a problem to those interested. It just so happens that BLU is a job that I really love and this entire ordeal is just... weird.
I just wish SE were just as capable to maintain a similar confrontation, even for other issues, but alas, they're a business. Blizzard does it, ANET does it too, and all the rest who follow suite.

[Anesteria]

The final bump.

Good luck everyone. And thanks for participating in the thread.

[guardin]

The most difficult part of BLU would be balancing future content with a job that potentially has a bajillion abilities in mind. And honestly I could see them going the XI route where new abilities are just old ones but slightly better.

In other words, BLU has no reason to be limited. As it stands now, it's only good for soloing boss FATEs.

its not perfect but i love the new style of content and new way to enjoy a class. blu feels so immersive compared to the other jobs. The game needs to stop being "end game raids " they will evolve blu and cant wait to see what they do with it

[guardin]

End game, you're describing endgame, which BLU needs to be part of.

Also the only "Broken" thing you've come up with is using a literal exploit to self destruct for a DPS gain and kill trash slightly better than other classes. Until it can actually do something broken or worth being a limited job, I'm just going to assume you vastly misunderstand how combat works in this game leading you to misguidedly think things are broken when they are not.

youy have no idea how end game or combat works . You are basically saying since i cant play blu mage the way i want it is useless as end game...even though blu has its OWN endgame...the nerve

[ReiMakoto]

youy have no idea how end game or combat works . You are basically saying since i cant play blu mage the way i want it is useless as end game...even though blu has its OWN endgame...the nerve

I've cleared Alphascape so I'm gonna go ahead and say I have a pretty decent idea as to how combat and endgame works. Also I'm not denying that BLU has an endgame, its just a particularly aweful one, so it would be better being in the regular endgame, which is what physic was describing in their post, as "more places to use blue mages" and "and some form of longer term content where you can go have fun using blue mage and gain some sort of benefit."