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    Quote Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad View Post
    Because Fran's armor is expressly a Veira thing, it's iconic in that it's something that Veira wear and people will recognize as something a Veira would wear.
    But it's not.
    Fran's armor is unique and iconic to Fran.
    Other Viera in XII (and by-extension the Tactics Advanced series) don't wear that outfit. The only ones that come close are the Wood Warders in Eruyt Village and Krjn from Clan Centurio.
    It feels more like either we're cosplaying as Fran or Fran isn't that special of a character here in XIV and is just part of the Viera-crowd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    But it's not.
    Fran's armor is unique and iconic to Fran.
    Other Viera in XII (and by-extension the Tactics Advanced series) don't wear that outfit. The only ones that come close are the Wood Warders in Eruyt Village and Krjn from Clan Centurio.
    It feels more like either we're cosplaying as Fran or Fran isn't that special of a character here in XIV and is just part of the Viera-crowd.
    And... your point? Fran never made herself out to be special, she's a veira. In XII she was special since she's the only playable non-hume, but in this game she's one of a playable race, so no she's not something special, and her outfit itself isn't anything special either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad View Post
    And... your point? Fran never made herself out to be special, she's a veira. In XII she was special since she's the only playable non-hume, but in this game she's one of a playable race, so no she's not something special, and her outfit itself isn't anything special either.
    Except she IS special here in XIV.

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    She's a general in the Dalmascan rebellion group, Lethe's Tears, which is implied to take orders from Princess Ashe, who was rumored to have died with her twin brother, Prince Rasler, during the Garlean invasion.


    Saying she isn't special would be like saying that characters like Lyse or Hien aren't special because they're both just Hyurs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    Except she IS special here in XIV.

    Spoiler warning
    She's a general in the Dalmascan rebellion group, Lethe's Tears, which is implied to take orders from Princess Ashe, who was rumored to have died with her twin brother, Prince Rasler, during the Garlean invasion.


    Saying she isn't special would be like saying that characters like Lyse or Hien aren't special because they're both just Hyurs.
    So... what exactly? She's an NPC we meet in one part of three 24 man raids on ruins around the Dalmascan region, do we take part in the rebellion?
    Are we inducted, even honorarily, into the dalmascan resistance?
    Do we do anything to advance the resistance?

    No?

    Then she's not important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad View Post
    So... what exactly? She's an NPC we meet in one part of three 24 man raids on ruins around the Dalmascan region, do we take part in the rebellion? .
    Not like characters from 24-man raids can come back and get put into the main story or anything...
    *stares at the ending of the current patch's MSQ, the dev team's current reminder that the quest to unlock Crystal Tower was made eaiser in patch 4.4, and all the implications of who the voice calling use to the First is*
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad View Post
    And... your point? Fran never made herself out to be special, she's a veira. In XII she was special since she's the only playable non-hume, but in this game she's one of a playable race, so no she's not something special, and her outfit itself isn't anything special either.
    This is probably the one thing I don't like about FFXII. In the world of Ivalice, where you are likely to meet a variety of races, your party consists of mostly Hume and one Viera. No Bangaa, Moogle, Nu Mou, Garif or even Seeq party members
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    But it's not.
    Fran's armor is unique and iconic to Fran.
    Other Viera in XII (and by-extension the Tactics Advanced series) don't wear that outfit. The only ones that come close are the Wood Warders in Eruyt Village and Krjn from Clan Centurio.
    It feels more like either we're cosplaying as Fran or Fran isn't that special of a character here in XIV and is just part of the Viera-crowd.
    Fran's outfit looks extremely close to FFTA and FFTA2's viera non-job outfit. If we call that "starter gear" then the FFTA and FFTA2 starter gear only differs from what Fran wheres with added sleeves and a chain bodice sort of deal. If we got that as starter gear but not Fran's and Fran's was added to the mogstation, then I'm sure it would upset some people. In addition to that, Fran's outfit is already in the game as an asset so that's ultimately why it got used.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikkoAkure View Post
    Fran's outfit looks extremely close to FFTA and FFTA2's viera non-job outfit. If we call that "starter gear" then the FFTA and FFTA2 starter gear only differs from what Fran wheres with added sleeves and a chain bodice sort of deal. If we got that as starter gear but not Fran's and Fran's was added to the mogstation, then I'm sure it would upset some people. In addition to that, Fran's outfit is already in the game as an asset so that's ultimately why it got used.
    Doesn't that make it sound worse?
    These aren't XIV's own interpretation of Viera, they're just Viera cosplaying as Fran.
    Granted, according to our friend Beki_Bayaqad, Fran is a useless, nameless shmuck because she doesn't make use the Grand Poobah of the Dalmascan rebellion and unlock a Dalmascan housing ward for use. :B
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mimilu View Post
    Doesn't that make it sound worse?
    These aren't XIV's own interpretation of Viera, they're just Viera cosplaying as Fran.
    Granted, according to our friend Beki_Bayaqad, Fran is a useless, nameless shmuck because she doesn't make use the Grand Poobah of the Dalmascan rebellion and unlock a Dalmascan housing ward for use. :B
    I didn't say that, I didn't say any of that. I said, that while she was important in XII, she's not important in XIV. Her role in XIV is to be an NPC who gives flavor text during the Orbonne raid and to showcase what the Veira will look like in XIV. That's it. And the playable Veira aren't cosplaying as Fran, they're wearing Veira style armor. I seriously don't understand why you're being this argumentative over this because it's making you look really weird.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beki_Bayaqad View Post
    I didn't say that, I didn't say any of that. I said, that while she was important in XII, she's not important in XIV. Her role in XIV is to be an NPC who gives flavor text during the Orbonne raid and to showcase what the Veira will look like in XIV. That's it. And the playable Veira aren't cosplaying as Fran, they're wearing Veira style armor. I seriously don't understand why you're being this argumentative over this because it's making you look really weird.
    Do you call everyone who doesn't agree with you weird or am I a special case?

    I get it, you want sexy bikini armor.
    You can just say "I want sexy bikini armor".
    You don't need to drag poor Fran in the mud to do it. :B
    Maybe I don't view her as just a flavor text NPC and walking waifu billboard?
    Maybe I'm actually interested in what going to happen with Dalmasca?
    Maybe I want to see the dev team do their own thing with Viera and not just copy-paste them in an attempt to cut-corners?
    But that's just me ♥
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