Why Does A Fierce Race Of Female Warriors...

[MiraKershaw]

Its racial gear. I havent seen anyone complaining about how highlander hempen gear is too sexy/showy (for both genders), or elezen (again both genders)

Why is it an issue now?

Yea let's compare hempen which is suppose to be undergarments for each race I'm sure viera will even get their own. Instead of idk the actual starter race sets which this is for the viera Wat that logic lol

[Corue]

I'd laugh if the Viera hempen set was more modest than their starter gear.

[Ruru_Nayu]

It's not like glamour exists smh...

[Zarkovitch]

@op Not Cool

[Kacho_Nacho]

It's not like glamour exists smh...

You can't glamour at first level.

@op Not Cool

What? I'm one of the coolest lalafell you'd hope to meet.

I know this is going to surprise a lot of you in this thread....but you can put armor on, or use glamor. They only will look like strippers because you want them to look like strippers.

Of course.

[Gula]

You can't glamour at first level.

Ok. Consider this.

Lv1 starting player, with me? *gasp* Playing the game gives you armor. Wow.

Also, Shad is a long ways off from ARR. If you're just starting, chances are you're on free trial, and are not on the Viera train unless you spend a sizable sum to play them right off the bat. I believe ARR is still purchasable as is, but to that end, you don't get to play as Au Ra or Viera or Hrothgar. And even still, why does a fierce race of female adventurer's have to wear mini skirts and show off cleavage? (Hyur, Miqo'te, Roegadames)

[Kacho_Nacho]

Ok. Consider this.

Lv1 starting player, with me? *gasp* Playing the game gives you armor. Wow.

Also, Shad is a long ways off from ARR. If you're just starting, chances are you're on free trial, and are not on the Viera train unless you spend a sizable sum to play them right off the bat. I believe ARR is still purchasable as is, but to that end, you don't get to play as Au Ra or Viera or Hrothgar. And even still, why does a fierce race of female adventurer's have to wear mini skirts and show off cleavage? (Hyur, Miqo'te, Roegadames)

There's no need to *gasp*. ((smiles at you))

Of course, you get armor later. I'm not stupid nor is anyone else in this thread.

The reason I'm not concerned with hyur, miqo'te, roes... is because showing skin is not a yes or no issue. It's a spectrum and I thought the viera starter gear went too far on that spectrum.

In addition, women don't have to wear anything they don't want to. The issue of female characters having to wear chainmail bikinis in most fantasy games is a topic larger than this thread.

Personally, I believe that reflects a certain sexism in game developers much like why males couldn't wear the bunny suit because the male developers were bothered by it. All and all, I would like there to be choice.

Players should have the option to wear sexy gear, modest gear, etc... People don't have the option to not have to wear starter gear. If it were up to me, I'd offer a choice of gear to start the game with so everyone's happy.

Hey Kacho_Nacho, wanna say some things real quick. I might not agree with you, but I appreciate that you've had a sense of humor through this thread. Some of your responses here legit made me smile and I wanted to let you know!

Also, I work with alts a lot and have gotten pretty good at leveling fast. Have had to put up with the early potato sack gear for a while because you need to jump through a couple hoops top access dyes/glamours if you're not based in Ul'dah already. I'm not fond of it, but grand scheme not the biggest deal.

Level one to level five is way faster, and if you absolutely detest the Viera starting gear you don't need to keep it long at all. Quests even hand out gear upon completion for free sometimes. Why not just roll your eyes and blast through a couple of the easy levels to get something else? If you have been playing for a while you can even start off with alternate level one gear as a veteran so you literally might not need to level at all to get something else.

You also have a choice in how you view the starter gear, even if you're not into it. The Laura Mulvey objectification argument (what usually gets applied when criticizing fanservice) has been disproven a bunch of times across the decades. Sexy people are not viewed the same way a piece of meat or object is, and Mulvey's principles have roots in homophobia and sexism. Whole thing flies in the face of women's liberation (rendering women artificially passive/disempowered) along with the idea of same-sex attraction. None of this means every person who buys into the ideas are sexist and homophobic overall, there's some sneaky rhetoric there and I think that gets to a lot of people with good intentions.

I understand that without those ideas at work it's also okay to just not be partial to fanservice. But it isn't actually dangerous by itself, and finding one outfit personally distasteful doesn't have to mean Viera as a whole have been ruined over it.

Mentioning all of this because I get you feel frustrated and disappointed with the starter gear even if other people aren't, and that's not fun. I figure if there's a way to help you let this roll off your back a bit to find a way to enjoy yourself anyway I'd like to help. Might not share the same view but sending good vibes your way and I hope this can make things easier!

Thank you. I knew going into this that this would be a hot button topic. What I have appreciated that most of the posts have been polite and a majority of posts have been quite informative to me.

Peace, Love, and Dolphins!

[Joven]

The reason I'm not concerned with hyur, miqo'te, roes... is because showing skin is not a yes or no issue. It's a spectrum and I thought the viera starter gear went too far on that spectrum.

In addition, women don't have to wear anything they don't want to. The issue of female characters having to wear chainmail bikinis in most fantasy games is a topic larger than this thread.

Personally, I believe that reflects a certain sexism in game developers much like why males couldn't wear the bunny suit because the male developers were bothered by it. All and all, I would like there to be choice.

Players should have the option to wear sexy gear, modest gear, etc... People don't have the option to not have to wear starter gear. If it were up to me, I'd offer a choice of gear to start the game with so everyone's happy.

Here's the problem with your "women don't have to wear anything they don't want to" and about the "sexism" argument in general: Viera aren't real women. If the developers are treating real women with disdain and forcing them to wear skimpy clothing then yes, they'd be sexists, but these are fictional creations, they have no agency except what the developers give them. To say that their portrayal means the developers are sexist is assuming a lot about individuals you know next to nothing about and throwing around words like that about them can do serious harm to those individual's reputations. People on these threads and social media in general need to think beyond their personal views of a situation before they start trying to label certain people a certain way otherwise someone is going to end up losing their job, or worse.

I've been avoiding directly addressing you for the entirety of this thread because even though I don't agree with your stance, I felt like you meant no harm in your statement. But now you're calling people sexist because of your own displeasure and that is harmful.

[Mistyregions]

I know this is going to surprise a lot of you in this thread....but you can put armor on, or use glamor. They only will look like strippers because you want them to look like strippers.

[Jaywalker]

Hey Kacho_Nacho, wanna say some things real quick. I might not agree with you, but I appreciate that you've had a sense of humor through this thread. Some of your responses here legit made me smile and I wanted to let you know!

Also, I work with alts a lot and have gotten pretty good at leveling fast. Have had to put up with the early potato sack gear for a while because you need to jump through a couple hoops top access dyes/glamours if you're not based in Ul'dah already. I'm not fond of it, but grand scheme not the biggest deal.

Level one to level five is way faster, and if you absolutely detest the Viera starting gear you don't need to keep it long at all. Quests even hand out gear upon completion for free sometimes. Why not just roll your eyes and blast through a couple of the easy levels to get something else? If you have been playing for a while you can even start off with alternate level one gear as a veteran so you literally might not need to level at all to get something else.

You also have a choice in how you view the starter gear, even if you're not into it. The Laura Mulvey objectification argument (what usually gets applied when criticizing fanservice) has been disproven a bunch of times across the decades. Sexy people are not viewed the same way a piece of meat or object is, and Mulvey's principles have roots in homophobia and sexism. Whole thing flies in the face of women's liberation (rendering women artificially passive/disempowered) along with the idea of same-sex attraction. None of this means every person who buys into the ideas are sexist and homophobic overall, there's some sneaky rhetoric there and I think that gets to a lot of people with good intentions.

I understand that without those ideas at work it's also okay to just not be partial to fanservice. But it isn't actually dangerous by itself, and finding one outfit personally distasteful doesn't have to mean Viera as a whole have been ruined over it.

Mentioning all of this because I get you feel frustrated and disappointed with the starter gear even if other people aren't, and that's not fun. I figure if there's a way to help you let this roll off your back a bit to find a way to enjoy yourself anyway I'd like to help. Might not share the same view but sending good vibes your way and I hope this can make things easier!