Viera and Hrothgar clans detailed on official site

[Destati]

Oh would you look at that, a reverse-Miqo'te situation with the Hrothgar. It's not like we can play male Miqo'te despite of their few numbers - oh wait.

Not gonna lie, that male Viera were even mentioned kinda rubbed salt in the wound for me. The "lore excuse" is getting weaker by the second.

Adhering to a strict code known as the Green Word, they are prohibited from contact with the outside world under threat of exile.

So this must be the justification for the PC Viera venturing out into the world, as well as why they might not be recognized as part of the race should there be any interaction with NPCs. I refuse to believe there is a reason why the males can't break the Green Word and go adventuring if the females can.

I get it, limited time and resources are a thing. They didn't have time to make both genders for both races. But I feel using lore as an excuse for not having female Hrothgar/male Viera playable is no longer viable - especially when they themselves write the lore.

[xxvaynxx]

From their tidbit lore.
Sounds like the male viera and the female hrothgar won't be playable.

[Levy9]

Enough mental gymnastics. It looks racist to not be able to include any black females in the game, especially when one of the blondest whitest girls' dad is black. They can improve a lot. Periodt.

Not all black people are particularly dark skinned though, so how do you tell who is or isn't supposed to portray a black person? I'm black IRL but i'm lighter than M'naago or Fran. Can Fran be considered a black female? She's close to Beyonce's complexion but honestly, still darker.



The Ananta tribe are all darker skinned females, are they black? This is why I don't like drawing an equivalence between real life races and fantasy races. Things don't actually sync up with the real world. For instance, I don't know any white or asian people with purple eyes and lavender hair like Tataru.

But it has a bad effect on me, and I keep getting told I'm wrong for feeling and reacting that way?

Is it a want for characters that match your skin tone, or is it just a want for someone you feel represents your real life race? I don't know what you look like IRL and black people have a wide variety of possible skin tones here in the U.S. You can be as light as Colin Powell or as dark as Wesley Snipes and still be considered black.

At any rate, it's more so the accusatory tone you've taken that people aren't going to respond well to. It's one thing to ask for more of X and another to accuse someone of bigotry (knowingly or unknowingly) for not having more of X already available.

On a side note, I wouldn't mind seeing more kinky hair options outside of the wobbly fro from the gold saucer, as unlikely as that may be.

[Daralii]

Oh would you look at that, a reverse-Miqo'te situation with the Hrothgar. It's not like we can play male Miqo'te despite of their few numbers - oh wait.

Not gonna lie, that male Viera were even mentioned kinda rubbed salt in the wound for me. The "lore excuse" is getting weaker by the second.

So this must be the justification for the PC Viera venturing out into the world, as well as why they might not be recognized as part of the race should there be any interaction with NPCs. I refuse to believe there is a reason why the males can't break the Green Word and go adventuring if the females can.

I get it, limited time and resources are a thing. They didn't have time to make both genders for both races. But I feel using lore as an excuse for not having female Hrothgar/male Viera playable is no longer viable - especially when they themselves write the lore.

Key difference being that Miqo'te have lived in Eorzea ever since the Calamity of Ice, while the Hrothgar live in an area where they border the Garlean Empire on either side. They also backtracked on the lore excuse before FanFest even ended, probably because they realized it sounded hypocritical and they'd be torn to shreds over it, and they said it was purely development time.

[Insertcoins]

Did my post and someone else's get nuked? I don't think I was being offensive..

[cicatriz313]

Objectively, the game lacks dark-skinned females that are important compared to everyone else. I mentioned M'naago way at the beginning of this thread, and the other I had no idea who that is, so they are rather unimportant female NPCs. Not good enough IMO. Is there something wrong with wanting a little bit more when everyone else gets more?

No one's proving me wrong about my own opinion. It's disappointing to me, and I suggested they should work on it. I never said they did it deliberately, and I never said boycott the game either. But it has a bad effect on me, and I keep getting told I'm wrong for feeling and reacting that way?

You said there weren't ANY "black" npcs and there are npcs that have darker skin tones. No one is saying you shouldn't feel disappointed, but you shouldn't call it "racist looking" and you shouldn't say they don't exist when they do. Are there less? Sure. But I don't know what we can attribute the ghostly pale npcs or the random colored npcs so it's pretty obvious it's not a competition for who gets more representation in regards to real world races.

Edit: also I dunno about you but the darker toned Viera from the trailer looked a lot like beyonce to me, enough for me to make destiny's child jokes with my girlfriend when the trailer hit, so it's funny that you'd link a beyonce gif.

[Kacho_Nacho]

S.E.'s philosophy of game design, males versus females. (With the acception of lalafell)

[Nonuel]

[Insertcoins]

Well a repost of what was nuked, No the game isn't on the edge of being racist, and you shouldn't feel bad or wrong about it. There's lots of darker skinned characters in this game, more than ALOT of japanese games really. Tho that doesn't matter cause this isn't earth or real life. We have CATS and blue people, this game is no were near being racist if anything it's so far on the other side of the line for a japanese game it needs an award if I'm being honest. and I say this as a black person myself. No reason to feel outraged here.

[Haprimac]

Getting outraged over non-issues is getting pretty tiresome, but I guess it provides me with entertainment when bored at work...

I mean, as a literally blackest duskwight elezen, according to this thread I should be outraged that there's only a single equally dark-skinned unnamed duskwight NPC in the whole game, right? Come on...