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  1. #601
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    Quote Originally Posted by Physic View Post
    they plan to balance tanks by making them in to tanks and off tanks, essentially making it so only two are competing with each other at a time. if they did not add a tank, there would be one tank required for 8 man, and two tanks who compete for the last spot. Will this work? who knows, but they clearly have a specific plan.
    This is also annoyingly vague. There's almost zero difference between the tanks in terms of tanking ability. mt/ot isn't a thing; unless they're talking strictly about pull priority.

    WAR is best at pulling the boss because they have the tools to do so (Unchained + Equilibrium). The other tanks don't.

    All they have to do to "balance" the tanks is to give them similar tools (I use the word balance loosely because currently the 3 tanks are very close). Potentially forcing them into an arbitrary offtank or main tank roles could create more problems.
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  2. #602
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    My idiot brain, every time I scroll by this thread:
    "Dear SE...
    "
    The internet truly has ruined me.
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  3. #603
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    A new healer would've been catastrophic. Everyone can agree how HORRIBLE whm is compared to ast and sch. There is a reason (more than 1 actually) that they are never as good as the other healers.
    Not making a new healer means Yoshi's team has acknowledged the disparities.
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  4. #604
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadman1204 View Post
    A new healer would've been catastrophic. Everyone can agree how HORRIBLE whm is compared to ast and sch. There is a reason (more than 1 actually) that they are never as good as the other healers.
    Not making a new healer means Yoshi's team has acknowledged the disparities.
    Like they acknowledged two years ago and then gave WHM lilies and had to fix plenary immediately. Wait a minute...
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  5. #605
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaer View Post
    Like they acknowledged two years ago and then gave WHM lilies and had to fix plenary immediately. Wait a minute...
    Like when pld was borked for all of 3.0 or drg for most of 2.0, or Bard for most of 3.0, or mch for all of 4.0.

    Pretty much every job has been bad at some point, and it usually takes an expansion cycle for the fixes to come into place.
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  6. #606
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    Ahnohla Mujuuk
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vaer View Post
    Like they acknowledged two years ago and then gave WHM lilies and had to fix plenary immediately. Wait a minute...
    Pretty much.

    I guess we are just supposed to take on faith that they are really really truly really very really going to balance them this time.
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  7. #607
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth View Post
    Like when pld was borked for all of 3.0 or drg for most of 2.0, or Bard for most of 3.0, or mch for all of 4.0.

    Pretty much every job has been bad at some point, and it usually takes an expansion cycle for the fixes to come into place.
    Time to git gud and be more heavy handed with buffs/changes instead of waiting 2 years to maybe fix it. This goes for all roles, not just healers. Just my opinion.

    Ironically a bunch of those you mentioned are actually getting a new job to their respective roles while still having apparent balance problems.
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    Last edited by Vaer; 04-10-2019 at 04:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChaoticCrimson View Post
    My idiot brain, every time I scroll by this thread:
    "Dear SE...
    "
    The internet truly has ruined me.
    That's generally how I feel scrolling through most threads these days.
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  9. #609
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tlachtga View Post
    This is also annoyingly vague. There's almost zero difference between the tanks in terms of tanking ability. mt/ot isn't a thing; unless they're talking strictly about pull priority.

    WAR is best at pulling the boss because they have the tools to do so (Unchained + Equilibrium). The other tanks don't.

    All they have to do to "balance" the tanks is to give them similar tools (I use the word balance loosely because currently the 3 tanks are very close). Potentially forcing them into an arbitrary offtank or main tank roles could create more problems.
    from what i hear warrior is the best main tank, the other two tanks compete for off tank, but warrior can still handle that. I think the problem is, off tanking is a thing, but its not like the jobs are designed for it, its just what happens when you got two guys vying for attention. So, its probably less fullfilling for tanks in that role. They will probably design off tanks so they have more to do when not tanking, and good tools for getting and giving hate.

    Just guessing. Anyway, i think the balance solution of making everyone even more similar is pretty bad. Tanks already play way too similarly for my tastes.
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  10. #610
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    Quote Originally Posted by deadman1204 View Post
    A new healer would've been catastrophic. Everyone can agree how HORRIBLE whm is compared to ast and sch. There is a reason (more than 1 actually) that they are never as good as the other healers.
    Not making a new healer means Yoshi's team has acknowledged the disparities.
    why is whm horrible? i am curious, i though it was capable of healing the hardest content available? How much worse is its performance compared to the other two?
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