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    Is there really an order/chaos theme with the light/dark in this setting?

    I mean, we've helped bring about great change if we're talking about chaos = change. We've helped reform Ishgard, waged war to bring change to gyr abania and yanxia by driving the empire out etc.

    Yes, the First suffers from constant day, but when we go to the void or 'world of darkness' is that also not constant night? Where as if this was a sign of order/chaos, one would think the void would be constantly shifting rather than always dark.

    I know in some settings, like WoW these days, they assosiate order with light and chaos with dark/void, but I'm not entirely sure that's actually the case in FFXIV. Unless I've missed something they haven't actually elaborated on what causes too much light/dark other than assosiating WoLs with Hydalyn and the ascians with Zosiark.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bright-Flower View Post
    Is there really an order/chaos theme with the light/dark in this setting?
    It's not a given - but if you equate Ascians with the Darkness side of the equation, they are ALL ABOUT the chaos. It seems to be the primary tool they wield, and perhaps the only tool. The fact that too much Light, resulting in Flood of Light, leaves and ordered, uniform nothingness, strongly points to Light being associated with Order. These hint strongly to me that, while they may have deeper intricacies, Light and Darkness are at least PARTLY associated with Order and Chaos.

    But let's assume, for the moment, that Ascians aren't really Darkness, or that they are and they just choose Chaos out of preference, not because it's innately associated with Darkness, and the fact that Floods of Light behave they way they do is coincidental. In this scenario, then, just what ARE Darkness and Light? So far, we're defining them solely by the things they are NOT. They are NOT Good and Evil. They are NOT Order and Chaos. Darkness is Darkness and Light is Light. Are they, literally, how shiny things are? When we turn off the nightlight, are we succumbing to the Darkness? That would be silly, so I think we can also say they are NOT literally Illumination and Lack-of-Illumination.

    If we refuse to tie them to concepts we can understand, Darkness and Light become so hopelessly vague that literally ANY decision the writers make can be arbitrarily assigned one way or another. "What? You saved that starving orphan girl? I'm sorry, but that action promoted DARKNESS. Fortunately, you saved the little dog next to her, as well, and earned 6.25 LIGHT points, as well! That's a net gain of 3.75 LIGHT, well done!"
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