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  1. #31
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    Seraphyel's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora View Post
    This thread is basically
    "Oh hey can you throw this into a L80 spell?"
    Next expansion happens.
    "Oh can you invent Ultima 2? I know it's never happened in FF, but..."
    Next expansion happens.
    "Oh hey do we get Ultima 3 now that we're on this slippery slope?"
    To be fair, in some games there were Ultima II and Ultima III versions. It wasn't very common but has been done before. I don't want it in FFXIV but it's a possibility.

    That's why I find the "Ultima is the ultimate spell!" argument a bit weak overall. Yes, it is. But BLMs could just get a Demi version like Summoners get Demi summons.
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  2. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seraphyel View Post
    To be fair, in some games there were Ultima II and Ultima III versions. It wasn't very common but has been done before. I don't want it in FFXIV but it's a possibility.

    That's why I find the "Ultima is the ultimate spell!" argument a bit weak overall. Yes, it is. But BLMs could just get a Demi version like Summoners get Demi summons.
    So i just checked the final fantasy wiki, the only time there has been ultima 2 or 3 or such is brave exvius where you can get an ultima +1 , which is just a stat upgrade ultima cos of mobile game power creep, and chocobo racing. BLM getting demi ultima could be fine cos the ultima beast uses it in fractum hard, but it could only use it because it was some freakish allagan experiment.
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReiMakoto View Post
    So i just checked the final fantasy wiki, the only time there has been ultima 2 or 3 or such is brave exvius where you can get an ultima +1 , which is just a stat upgrade ultima cos of mobile game power creep, and chocobo racing. BLM getting demi ultima could be fine cos the ultima beast uses it in fractum hard, but it could only use it because it was some freakish allagan experiment.
    There has been Ultiga (Ultima III) in some Nintendo FF games. It is not very popular as I said though and Ultima is usually considered the strongest Black Magic spell but... they could do a lot to give some kind of Ultima to BLMs.
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  4. #34
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    I call meteo.
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  5. #35
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    More than likely BLM will get Comet before Ultima.
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  6. #36
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    Seraphus Highwynn
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    Dark, Comet, Scourge (name could be repurposed like DRK's Delirium, thought the BLM spell was more of a Poison-Kill move, so might be made into a SCH/SMN skill), Temper (more of a RDM thing tbh), Raze, Shade, Jihad (Doomsday), Ardor. These are the major BLM spells that are missing from BLM's arsenal in ffxiv.
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  7. #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veritas-Ancora View Post

    (...snip...)

    Do not give in to people who just want a name to feel better than their actual DPS.
    +1 for your comment - especially the last sentence made my day thx for that :3
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  8. #38
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    Zera Vyre
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    Demi-Ultima seems appropriate.

    As for "rocket science" for BLM is concerned, please don't dumb the job down any further than it already has been, thank you. I understand that many people who play the class just want to see a big number and AFK in their cool robes in town, but many of us enjoy playing it at endgame and don't want it to be boring.
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  9. #39
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    I would like to present Ardor.
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    Seraphor Vhinasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkpaw View Post
    I would like to present Ardor.
    Already have Flare.
    Make Ardor a RDM unique spell, as it's Arcane rather than Black/White.
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