Quote Originally Posted by zeylos View Post
Seriously if you are still living 20 years ago mentally and you are here to bash on ppl who want male viera (quote: I'm sorry, but I do not find it possible to take most people who play this game very seriously at all), just leave the thread
Quote Originally Posted by Anselmet View Post
Listen, I don't care for the sexist angel that people try to use when arguing for male vieras because in my opinion that is just pushing it but equating story elements to gender locks is just asinine. Yotsuyu's sex trafficking isn't shown in a positive light and is no way shape or form promoting rape etc. Just because people might be pushing feminism does not mean all of a sudden they cannot enjoy a narritive. Nor does it mean that they suddenly have to demand rape and anti-women plots from games, books, and tv etc. That is a really weak argument and does nothing in your argument against male vieras. We get it, you hate feminism but that does not mean everyone here is fighting for that agenda just bc they want male vieras. Nor does anyone wanting a weak, smaller, or slight male viera equate to yaaaaas queen, lets eviscerate that toxic masculinity with our feminized male vieras.
If male Viera and/or female Hrothgar being playable works from a lore perspective regardless of the players on this thread screaming about it, I don't mind. My original point was not, "These should never be playable and you're all wasting your time." It was, "Worldbuilding has to come before real life gender politics."

The problem is not that people want things, it's why they want them. You think my argument is weak, but if people really wanted gender equality (e.g., the most cited reason for wanting male Viera and female Hrothgar to be playable), then perhaps there should have been more empathy for Yotsuyu, more anger for Hien for being rather wishy-washy about the subject, and more outrage over the Mithra and Galka in FINAL FANTASY XI, which was wildly successful in spite of having genderlocked playable races.

The fact of the matter is that this is not your game. You're not a developer. You have no real power. None of us do. We pay SE rent to enjoy a world they created, and they can cancel anyone's services at any time for any reason. Perhaps if people were more thankful for the chance to enjoy such a creation, however flawed it may be (after all, it was made by humans, so flaws are inevitable), there would be less idiocy from the community as a whole. But instead of gratitude, people demand their way no matter what, forgetting that Japan has very strict laws against transgender people and still follows traditional gender roles. And lastly, feminism is something that each person seems to have a different definition for, considering some try for the actual ideal, some drag it through the mud and call the result "feminism," and some don't even really know what it is or is supposed to be.

In short, all I really see is players bullying the devs in order to get their way, and the reasoning behind it is weak for me. I've seen several posts ask for positivity, and I'm for that. If players want to ask for something, fine, just be civil about it. I'm not even really trying to be cruel here. I can show you cruel if you prefer. I just think there are better reasons and better ways to ask for things.