Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

[Ceallach]

Seriously if you are still living 20 years ago mentally and you are here to bash on ppl who want male viera (quote: I'm sorry, but I do not find it possible to take most people who play this game very seriously at all), just leave the thread

Listen, I don't care for the sexist angel that people try to use when arguing for male vieras because in my opinion that is just pushing it but equating story elements to gender locks is just asinine. Yotsuyu's sex trafficking isn't shown in a positive light and is no way shape or form promoting rape etc. Just because people might be pushing feminism does not mean all of a sudden they cannot enjoy a narritive. Nor does it mean that they suddenly have to demand rape and anti-women plots from games, books, and tv etc. That is a really weak argument and does nothing in your argument against male vieras. We get it, you hate feminism but that does not mean everyone here is fighting for that agenda just bc they want male vieras. Nor does anyone wanting a weak, smaller, or slight male viera equate to yaaaaas queen, lets eviscerate that toxic masculinity with our feminized male vieras.

If male Viera and/or female Hrothgar being playable works from a lore perspective regardless of the players on this thread screaming about it, I don't mind. My original point was not, "These should never be playable and you're all wasting your time." It was, "Worldbuilding has to come before real life gender politics."

The problem is not that people want things, it's why they want them. You think my argument is weak, but if people really wanted gender equality (e.g., the most cited reason for wanting male Viera and female Hrothgar to be playable), then perhaps there should have been more empathy for Yotsuyu, more anger for Hien for being rather wishy-washy about the subject, and more outrage over the Mithra and Galka in FINAL FANTASY XI, which was wildly successful in spite of having genderlocked playable races.

The fact of the matter is that this is not your game. You're not a developer. You have no real power. None of us do. We pay SE rent to enjoy a world they created, and they can cancel anyone's services at any time for any reason. Perhaps if people were more thankful for the chance to enjoy such a creation, however flawed it may be (after all, it was made by humans, so flaws are inevitable), there would be less idiocy from the community as a whole. But instead of gratitude, people demand their way no matter what, forgetting that Japan has very strict laws against transgender people and still follows traditional gender roles. And lastly, feminism is something that each person seems to have a different definition for, considering some try for the actual ideal, some drag it through the mud and call the result "feminism," and some don't even really know what it is or is supposed to be.

In short, all I really see is players bullying the devs in order to get their way, and the reasoning behind it is weak for me. I've seen several posts ask for positivity, and I'm for that. If players want to ask for something, fine, just be civil about it. I'm not even really trying to be cruel here. I can show you cruel if you prefer. I just think there are better reasons and better ways to ask for things.

[Emmanellain]

(to avoid social issues and arguments lets just keep the tone positive and continue the exchange of ideas and feedback)

I've seen this being passed around in the JP forums, and I personally find it a very good visual representation, it has its feet in both camps and could be widely customized.


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What do everyone think?

[Halivel]

(to avoid social issues and arguments lets just keep the tone positive and continue the exchange of ideas and feedback)

I've seen this being passed around in the JP forums, and I personally find it a very good visual representation, it has its feet in both camps and could be widely customized.


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What do everyone think?

Too short, imo. Fran was taller than female elezens, and here we see a guy who is shorter than male miqo'te (they are shortest after lalafels). It will look just ridiculous (I'm not against of making them shorter, but not this difference, really). But I like main body line, he's slim but has muscles.

Though, if SE will make them like this I will not be really against but... c'mon. We have one "WTF IS THIS!?" race already.

[Emmanellain]

Too short, imo. Fran was taller than female elezens, and here we see a guy who is shorter than male miqo'te (they are shortest after lalafels). It will look just ridiculous (I'm not against of making them shorter, but not this difference, really). But I like main body line, he's slim but has muscles.

Though, if SE will make them like this I will not be really against but... c'mon. We have one "WTF IS THIS!?" race already.

I mean, we gotta remember most heights are adjustable with a slider, say, if this was the minimum height for the male Viera and the tallest being in line with the females or a tad higher, would that be acceptable?
I don't see how that height puts the male viera in the "wtf" camp, it shows on the chart the height for the viera would be that of the smallest hyur male height, which is a good minimal height for a male imo, he wouldn't be out-of-place-short.

[Halivel]

I mean, we gotta remember most heights are adjustable with a slider, say, if this was the minimum height for the male Viera and the tallest being in line with the females or a tad higher, would that be acceptable?
I don't see how that height puts the male viera in the "wtf" camp, it shows on the chart the height for the viera would be that of the smallest hyur male height, which is a good minimal height for a male imo, he wouldn't be out-of-place-short.

Big slider would be acceptable, but usually there is only 10-12cm of difference and I think it will be same for males. So let's say that if Vieras are shorter than Miqote. Miqote height is 160-170 range. Then male would be, for example, 150-160. Females will be around 190-200 most likely, because they are taller than female elezens but a little bit shorter than male au ra (accoring to Fran). 40-60 cm difference. 40-60! Just NO, please. I'm really enough with this craziness on au ra.
If males will be 180-190 while females are 190-200 - then okay, it's reasonable.

[Emmanellain]

Big slider would be acceptable, but usually there is only 10-12cm of difference and I think it will be same for males. So let's say that if Vieras are shorter than Miqote. Miqote height is 160-170 range. Then male would be, for example, 150-160. Females will be around 190-200 most likely, because they are taller than female elezens but a little bit shorter than male au ra (accoring to Fran). 40-60 cm difference. 40-60! Just NO, please. I'm really enough with this craziness on au ra.
If males will be 180-190 while females are 190-200 - then okay, it's reasonable.

I'd be fine with that, that would visually be pretty adorable and not look too morphed. (would also give them more of a stealthy advantage over the females)
Kinda wish there was more range in the sliders on all the races, but I suppose that's due to limitations rather than preference in development.

[Halivel]

I'd be fine with that, that would visually be pretty adorable and not look too morphed. (would also give them more of a stealthy advantage over the females)

I have no idea what is adorable in this, Because that's how it gonna look:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BaIm3GLg...d=kzf75fkg72nd

Just look, where is her head.

[Anselmet]

Too short, imo. Fran was taller than female elezens, and here we see a guy who is shorter than male miqo'te (they are shortest after lalafels). It will look just ridiculous (I'm not against of making them shorter, but not this difference, really). But I like main body line, he's slim but has muscles.

Honestly I wouldn't mind if the male Vieras could be considerably shorter than the females. We sort of have that going on with midlander male hyurs at their minimum are much smaller than female highlanders. I think that would be nice if male vieras could work the same way.

The problem is not that people want things, it's why they want them.

While there is a vocal minority that has made this a gendered political issue it does not mean this thread nor the topic of having no gender locks is a gendered issue. Most I've seen is that people see NO point in make gendered locked races when it did not exist in ffxiv after ARR launched. Sure, there is those that do say 'in the year 2019 we should not have over sexualized females and overly masculine males', but that is not the main focus of the thread. It only becomes the focus of the thread when people make it. Many of which are those who are anti male viera who come in and tell us that we shouldn't get them bc of gendered politics etc.

then perhaps there should have been more empathy for Yotsuyu, more anger for Hien for being rather wishy-washy about the subject,

Hate to break it to ya but this outrage did exist. Not saying they were right but uh...?

The fact of the matter is that this is not your game. You're not a developer. You have no real power. None of us do. We pay SE rent to enjoy a world they created, and they can cancel anyone's services at any time for any reason.

Excuse me, but I invest in this game by buying things on the mogstation and paying a subscription and buying merchandise. If I want to give feedback, I very well can and I will especially when I really support something. This is also an MMO that is constantly updated which means that player feedback is very important. Which means I can request and wish for things however I see fit. It is not up to you to tell me, or anyone else, otherwise. Like I get it, you don't like that we are requesting male vieras for reasons. But what do YOU personally lose from this by us requesting for male vieras? Its up to the devs what they implement. Most of us understand that, so stop assuming we don't. It will also be up to them if they take our feedback. Hardly anyone is hostile towards the devs in this thread other than those who are saying we are. I'm not sure if you read the title of the thread but uh, it says 'Thread: Male Viera as a playable character! show your support'. And we can show support any way we want.

[Duskane]

(to avoid social issues and arguments lets just keep the tone positive and continue the exchange of ideas and feedback)

I've seen this being passed around in the JP forums, and I personally find it a very good visual representation, it has its feet in both camps and could be widely customized.


Scource
What do everyone think?

id be alright with it
between male miqote height or fran height preferably